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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Richard Leonard

Tricia Meldrum, do you know the answer to that?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. We now move into private session.

10:29 Meeting continued in private until 11:31.  

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Our main item of business this morning is consideration of the report “National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”. I welcome our witnesses, who join us in the committee room. We have John Cornett, executive director of audit services, Audit Scotland; and Tim Bridle, audit manager, Audit Scotland. We have some questions to put to you about the report but, before we get to that, I invite you to make a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Thanks. That is a useful clarification. We are going to get into some of the specific match areas, but first I have a couple of questions on the broader impact of the initiative. In exhibit 3 in the report, you talk about the wider benefits of the national fraud initiative. You list that it can

“Act as a deterrent to potential fraudsters ... provide assurance that systems are operating well”

and

“identify where system improvements are required”.

Can you tell us more about that? What evidence do you have to support your claims in the report?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Richard Leonard

To what extent do you see the exercise as being one of catching fraud versus one of preventing fraud?

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 24th meeting of the Public Audit Committee in 2024. Agenda item 1 is to decide whether to take items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Yes, please do.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay. Thanks for that clarification.

Can I just clarify a couple of things with you, too? I have seen the number of participating bodies in this year’s exercise as being either 110 or 127. Which is the correct number?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Graham Simpson has a quick question.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Richard Leonard

To what extent is that a resource issue? We are dealing with an environment in which the financial pressures on the health service and health boards are intensifying, and the financial pressures on local councils and across local government are getting greater. Is the reason for the decline that they are unable to find the resources to follow up some of the work?