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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

Gillian Martin

I do not want to go too much into DRS, but I will give you an update. Obviously, DRS regulations will be completely separate from the EPR regulations. It is another area in which we are working very closely with the other three nations of the UK, and we have signed up to work with the UK Government on DRS regulations. When the new UK Government came in, I wrote to it to reiterate our stance on DRS.

I will hand over to my official to talk about the interaction between the EPR regulations and DRS.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

Gillian Martin

I think that we are on record as saying that we aim to publish that by the end of the year, so nothing has changed in that respect.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

Gillian Martin

No. We will take things as they come. I have asked for clarification first. I have mentioned that that mechanism exists. I do not want to have to use it; I want us to go together.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

Gillian Martin

That is a fair assessment.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

Gillian Martin

On that, we have written to the UK Government to reiterate the position that we had signed up to with the previous Government before the general election. We had said that we would work in lock step with the other nations to roll out the DRS. In the same vein as the previous discussion around vaping, I have been in touch with them about moving ahead on that on a four-nations basis. I will keep you updated on that, but our position remains that we want a DRS working as soon as possible.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

Gillian Martin

The thing is that you cannot give assurance about future budget settlements at all, Mr Lumsden, as you know. I am not in a position to say what will happen in future with regard to council tax settlements. However, it is about the fundamental principle that, with regard to waste management, the four nations of the UK are, as a whole, moving towards the responsibility for paying for the handling of waste coming not from the public purse but from the producers of the items that we use.

I do not know whether David McPhee wants to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

Gillian Martin

That is my understanding. Maybe my officials can help. Is your point that the enforcement officers might take items that are not single-use vapes in error?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

Gillian Martin

I am going to have to bring in my officials. The WEEE regulations concern things such as the take-back of rechargeable items. Now that the regulations that we are considering today are coming in, there will not be that take-back responsibility. Can I bring in my official on that specific point?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

Gillian Martin

We will always do that. When the regulations land and once they are enforced, we will keep an eye on how they are working. If any issues come up that have not been considered, of course we will look at that again. However, that point has not been raised—hence my initial confusion as to your question. I hope that my officials have been able to give you certainty that that has not been an issue.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

Gillian Martin

We have absolutely been in touch with COSLA throughout the whole process. I am really pleased that the UK Government has brought forward these regulations, and I hope that the committee will agree that they really represent a step change in the management of waste; instead of its being a burden on the taxpayer and on the public purse, there will be a vehicle for the manufacturers of products to pay for the management of their packaging waste. I think that it will mean a number of things, and I think that COSLA is supportive of it.

What effectively will it mean? It is expected that £1.2 billion a year will come to local authorities UK wide, and with the consequentials, that will translate into £120 million a year for Scotland. That is what is anticipated; it might be more or it might be less, but that is what it is anticipated will come to local authorities from the scheme administrator as a result of its handling of waste packaging.

What that will mean, initially, is that authorities can invest that money in improving their recycling processes without—and this is crucial—putting the burden of dealing with the waste on council tax payers or on the funding that they get from Government. Initially, there will be two streams of funding, because authorities will have to put in place a certain amount of adaptation with regard to the waste management that we ask them to do. Effectively, though, the money that will come to them as a result of EPR is going to help them to significantly improve their waste management.