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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 May 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 2 November 2021

Gillian Martin

I welcome everyone to the ninth meeting in 2021 of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee. I have received apologies from Evelyn Tweed and Paul O’Kane. Marie McNair and Jackie Baillie are here as substitute members. I welcome you both.

Our first item is to invite Jackie Baillie to declare any interests that are relevant to the committee’s remit.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Transvaginal Mesh Removal (Cost Reimbursement) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 November 2021

Gillian Martin

I am happy for Terry O’Kelly to come in.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 2 November 2021

Gillian Martin

Agenda item 2 is to decide whether to take items 6, 7 and 8 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Transvaginal Mesh Removal (Cost Reimbursement) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 November 2021

Gillian Martin

We move to David Torrance, who has questions about costs and the bill’s financial memorandum.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Transvaginal Mesh Removal (Cost Reimbursement) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 November 2021

Gillian Martin

I will go to Dr Jamieson first. Anyone else who wants to come in before we wind up should put an R in the chat box.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Transvaginal Mesh Removal (Cost Reimbursement) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 November 2021

Gillian Martin

Agenda item 4 is an evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care, Humza Yousaf, on the Transvaginal Mesh Removal (Cost Reimbursement) (Scotland) Bill. I welcome the cabinet secretary, who is with us in person. He is supported by our other witnesses, who are participating remotely. We have from the Scottish Government Greig Chalmers, who is head of the chief medical officer’s policy division; Terry O’Kelly, who is senior medical adviser; David Bishop, who is mesh team leader; and Ailsa Garland, who is a solicitor. We heard from all of them last week. Thank you for coming back.

The session is the last part of our scrutiny of what is a very narrow bill. However, as you can imagine, members might have questions on some of the issues around it as we go forward.

Eligibility is one of the main issues on which we would like some clarity. We know that reimbursement is for women who, historically, opted to go to other countries to get private treatment outwith Scotland’s mesh services or women who arranged for such private treatment within a certain timescale. Why have you excluded women who had their mesh fitted during surgery in Scotland but were not resident in Scotland when they had private treatment to remove the mesh, even though they might now be resident in Scotland? Why has that exclusion been made?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Transvaginal Mesh Removal (Cost Reimbursement) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 November 2021

Gillian Martin

Does Jackie Baillie want to come in?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Transvaginal Mesh Removal (Cost Reimbursement) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 November 2021

Gillian Martin

That is very interesting. I was going to ask what the potential impact would have been if you had done but, given that you have not received any such correspondence, that is very difficult to quantify.

I hand over to my colleagues, who have further questions on the theme of eligibility.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Transvaginal Mesh Removal (Cost Reimbursement) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 November 2021

Gillian Martin

A couple of other questions have been raised about eligibility and reimbursement under the bill. I understand your point about crowdfunding, but many women will have had family members give them substantial donations and will want those family members to be reimbursed, too. Is that being taken into account? If someone has been loaned or given thousands of pounds by family members or someone else, will they be able to give that back?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Transvaginal Mesh Removal (Cost Reimbursement) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 November 2021

Gillian Martin

It is worth mentioning that, on the back of its discussion with us, the alliance sent us a letter. The letter highlights some of the experiences that women have had, both at primary care level and when they were seeing a consultant, and some of the issues that they were not happy about. The cabinet secretary got a copy of that letter.

I will go back to Greig Chalmers.