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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 May 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Perinatal Mental Health

Meeting date: 7 December 2021

Gillian Martin

While you were talking, it occurred to me that one of my colleagues, Angela Crawley MP, is campaigning for paid miscarriage leave. I assume that Sands fully supports that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Perinatal Mental Health

Meeting date: 7 December 2021

Gillian Martin

Thank you for that. There is lots for us to think about there.

Before handing over to my colleagues, I will pick up on one issue that has been mentioned, which I was aware of before: the policy around continuity of carer—for instance, knowing, when you go into labour, who the midwife is and knowing that it will be not be someone you have never met before. As you say, that policy is still to be rolled out. This question is for any of you. When it comes to the practical aspect of that, and given what you have said about the shortage of midwives—it will not be easy, and I am not asking how easy this will be to roll out—do you think that that policy will be doable within the next couple of years, as we come out of the pandemic? Could you reflect on the importance to mental health of having continuity of midwifery care? What difference would that make?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Perinatal Mental Health

Meeting date: 7 December 2021

Gillian Martin

Before we delve into the workforce issues that you have all mentioned, I want to ask Mary Ross-Davie a question. We have spoken to parents who have had mental health issues as a result of pregnancy and childbirth, and one of them mentioned that they had support from an additional support midwife during pregnancy, because it was established that she needed that extra care. I was not aware of that previously but, on probing further, I found that additional support midwives are not available throughout Scotland. Is that your experience? Can you shed any light on where such midwives are available? To me, it sounds like good practice to give somebody an additional support midwife when it is known that they will have particular difficulties.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Perinatal Mental Health

Meeting date: 7 December 2021

Gillian Martin

Thank you. That is very helpful. My colleagues will probably come back to quite a few of the issues that you have brought up.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Perinatal Mental Health

Meeting date: 7 December 2021

Gillian Martin

David, are you happy to leave it there so that we can move on to other members’ questions, or do you want to come back in?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Perinatal Mental Health

Meeting date: 7 December 2021

Gillian Martin

This is a good opportunity for me to ask a question that my colleague Sue Webber wanted to ask. Poor Sue has completely lost her voice, but I will be her voice today. Sue wanted to ask Clea Harmer whether it is normal practice in Scotland to have a symbol, such as a butterfly symbol, on the file of mothers who have had previous baby loss. Is that happening throughout Scotland?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Perinatal Mental Health

Meeting date: 7 December 2021

Gillian Martin

Our second item is an evidence session with stakeholders as part of our short inquiry into perinatal mental health. All our witnesses join us remotely. I welcome to the committee Selena Gleadow-Ware, who is the perinatal faculty chair at the Royal College of Psychiatrists; Mary Ross Davie, who is the director for Scotland at the Royal College of Midwives; Dr Arun Chopra, who is the executive director at the Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland; and Professor Marian Knight, professor of maternal and child population health, who is representing MBRRACE-UK—mothers and babies: reducing risk through audits and confidential enquiries across the UK.

I will kick off by asking a question for all our witnesses. My colleagues will then ask questions on themes. They will probably direct their initial question to someone in particular, but, if others want to come in, they should put an R or a request to speak in the chat box, so that I know to come to them. That means that they will not be sitting with lots to say without my noticing them. That seems to be the way of managing things in a hybrid meeting.

With the backdrop of Covid—we will ask specific questions about Covid later—what needs to be focused on in perinatal mental health care in the short and medium terms? I will also ask a supplementary question. What needs to be done to ensure consistency of good practice and good service across the whole of Scotland?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Perinatal Mental Health

Meeting date: 7 December 2021

Gillian Martin

Thank you. We will move on to a question from David Torrance about access to services. David, I know that you have been having problems with your internet, but I hope that it will hold up.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Perinatal Mental Health

Meeting date: 7 December 2021

Gillian Martin

I will come to Joanne Smith.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Perinatal Mental Health

Meeting date: 7 December 2021

Gillian Martin

Emma Harper will delve further into the support for women who are vulnerable or at risk.