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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2022
Gillian Martin
Stephanie Callaghan will have the last question before we take a break.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2022
Gillian Martin
You can ask another short question, Emma, then we will go to Tess White.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2022
Gillian Martin
I will hand over to my colleagues. Emma Harper has a question.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2022
Gillian Martin
I will pick up your answer to Evelyn Tweed on Anne’s law. Last week, we had in front of us a number of people who told us that they still lacked access to their loved ones. That could be for understandable reasons, such as measures being put in place that relate to Covid or infection control. However, those people feel that the measures go too far, because they do not allow them access to their loved ones. What can be done now to ensure that that does not happen?
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2022
Gillian Martin
People who find themselves in that situation should go to the Care Inspectorate.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2022
Gillian Martin
You will be pleased to hear that these are the final questions from Emma Harper. I do not mean that in a pejorative way, although that might be how it sounded coming out of my mouth. I just mean that Emma will ask the final questions of the session.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2022
Gillian Martin
I thank the minister and all his officials for the extra time that they have given to answer our questions.
As no member has indicated that they have further questions to ask, I will wind up our session now.
That was our final meeting of 2022. At our first meeting in the new year, we will be taking evidence on the Scottish budget for 2023-24 from the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care.
I take this opportunity to wish everyone a happy and restful festive period. I reiterate my thanks to everyone in Scottish society who has helped us with our work during this year.
That concludes the public part of our meeting today.
11:53 Meeting continued in private until 12:07.Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2022
Gillian Martin
The next item on our agenda is the final oral evidence session in the committee’s stage 1 scrutiny of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. We are taking evidence from the Minister for Mental Wellbeing and Social Care and supporting officials. I welcome to the committee the Minister for Mental Wellbeing and Social Care, Kevin Stewart and, from the Scottish Government, Fiona Bennett, who is the interim deputy director for the national health service, integration and social care finance, and Anna Kynaston, who is deputy director of national care service programme design, engagement and legislation. Good morning to you all. I invite the minister to make a brief opening statement.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2022
Gillian Martin
Thank you, minister, and thank you for referencing the amount of outreach work that we have done. That gives me the opportunity to thank everyone whom we have met across Scotland in our outreach work and public engagement.
There are two common queries that people have put to us, which I will now put to you. They have come up quite a lot in the informal and formal sessions that we have had.
Over our weeks of evidence gathering, many people whom we have spoken to have said that there is already a lot of excellent legislation relating to care; that there are already excellent policies that they were very excited about when the policies were announced; and that there are lots of frameworks and strategies. However, there is a big implementation gap. How would the national care service close that implementation gap? Do we need a national care service to close that implementation gap, and why can that not be done now? That is the first query.
The second query is more of a comment. People have said that there is not enough detail in the bill for them to be able to ascertain what the national care service will be.
I put those to you in a oner. They are big questions, but they come up a lot.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2022
Gillian Martin
Okay. I wanted to give you clarity as to what David Torrance was getting at.