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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Gillian Martin

Frank McKillop, as you were the first to mention self-directed support, we will come back to you.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Gillian Martin

Good afternoon, and welcome to the 36th meeting in 2022 of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee. I am delighted to hold our first external formal meeting of the parliamentary session in Glasgow. We are in the Quarrier centre in Govan.

I have received apologies from David Torrance. James Dornan will substitute for him.

A few of our members—Tess White, Sandesh Gulhane and Carol Mochan—are joining us virtually, as is James Dornan. The rest of us are here in person. It is great to be here.

The first item on our agenda is further consideration of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. We will hear evidence from two panels of witnesses.

I welcome our first panel. Clare Gallagher is a human rights officer for the Council of Ethnic Minority Voluntary Sector Organisations Scotland; Hannah Tweed is senior policy officer for the Health and Social Care Alliance Scotland—the ALLIANCE; Don Williamson is chief executive of Shared Care Scotland; and Mhairi Wylie is chief officer for Highland Third Sector Interface and a member of the TSI Scotland Network. Joining us online, we have Karen Sheridan, who is chief operating officer for Community Integrated Care.

I will hand over to my colleague Sandesh Gulhane for the first question. It looks like he might have frozen. [Interruption.] We will try again. While Sandesh gets organised, I will ask the panel a question.

The bill has arisen largely from the “Independent Review of Adult Social Care in Scotland”, which is also known as the Feeley report. We have had Derek Feeley in front of us to talk about his thoughts on the bill. I ask all the witnesses for their views on whether the bill accurately reflects the review’s recommendations. Are any key recommendations from the review missing?

I will go to Mhairi Wylie first. You do not have to operate your microphone, Mhairi; that is done for you.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Gillian Martin

James Dornan has questions about Anne’s law.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Gillian Martin

I will bring in Don Williamson, seeing as he was mentioned.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Gillian Martin

Does James Dornan want to come back in?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Gillian Martin

It is not your fault.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Gillian Martin

That was not a hint. [Laughter.]

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Gillian Martin

Okay. There will be ample opportunity throughout the session for you to make quite a lot of your points.

I will go to Rhona Willder and then I will hand over to my colleague Gillian Mackay.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Gillian Martin

Thank you all for setting out your stalls—that is why I always go round the whole panel. Colleagues, I remind you that you do not have that luxury; it would be hugely helpful if you could direct your questions to individual witnesses.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Gillian Martin

We will write to Dr Gould for a specific answer to that important question from Evelyn Tweed about the co-design process, because it might be helpful to get that feedback. We have run out of time anyway. The committee can follow up with Dr Gould because, obviously, somebody needs her attention at the moment and I do not want to disrupt that.

I would like to put to everybody that question about the accessibility of the co-design process—when it comes to time, capacity, funding, support and making sure that various people have had the opportunity to input into it—because that is part of what we might want to feed back in our report.