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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 July 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

You could, of course, look at the outcomes of the Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee’s consideration of the petition. As David Torrance has said, you could look at its recommendations with regard to the petition, which will be linked to in our committee papers.

Does anyone else have a comment?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

Before I bring in my colleague, I want to ask a follow-up question. There is accreditation, but you also mentioned remuneration for people working in care. Has that also been addressed in the Nordic countries?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

Thank you, Dr Connon. I will let you catch your breath for a moment.

You ended by making a point about the ageing population, which is a worldwide concern. Another concern that I imagine affects most countries, and which we are facing in Scotland, is how to attract people into the care sector. An objective of the bill is to make working in the care sector an attractive career, with parity of esteem with our health sector; indeed, that issue came up when you talked about New Zealand. Do you think that, because of what has been done there, New Zealand has less of a problem in attracting people into the care profession? Are there other models that you can point to where there have been good outcomes after reforms have been made?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

Sandesh Gulhane has some questions on that theme.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

I have a couple of questions on that point. You mentioned the countries where there is an expectation of and a reliance on family care. Do those countries give any kind of financial support to those carers, as we do with the carers allowance? Are those families expected to just get on with it, or is there a variation of the kind of support that is provided here?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

And that has a knock-on effect on other measures of a wellbeing society, such as the gender pay gap.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

Yes.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

Two members have put in late bids for questions, but I can only allow two more, as we are running out of time. I call Carol Mochan and then Stephanie Callaghan, and then we will need to wrap things up.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

The second item on the agenda is our first evidence session on the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. I will run through our witnesses, starting with those who are in the room. We have Professor Sir Harry Burns, who is professor of practice and special adviser at the University of Strathclyde; and Nick Kempe, who is the convener of the Common Weal’s care reform group. Online, we have Professor Jon Glasby, who is professor of health and social care at the University of Birmingham; Professor Catherine Hennessy, who is professor of ageing at the University of Stirling; and Professor Catherine Needham, who is professor of public policy and public management at the University of Birmingham and is involved in the Economic and Social Research Council’s centre for care. Welcome, everyone.

I will go round all the witnesses to get their initial thoughts on the bill. First, I mention to colleagues that we will not have time for every witness to answer every question. Therefore, I ask that they do not follow my lead and that they direct their questions to individuals, otherwise we will quickly run out of time and we will not get through all our themes.

I will ask the key high-level question. Does this framework bill adequately meet the objectives of delivering potentially better health outcomes for people who receive care, and does it meet the needs of those who require assistance with the care of a family member?

I will go to Professor Hennessy first.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

That is not what I asked.