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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

You make a good point about the variability of services across the 32 local authorities, so that information is important. With the circular economy route map, which has been worked on by all 32 local authorities and COSLA, we can see that some local authorities are doing things differently for particular reasons. We can look at their recycling rates and ask what other local authorities can learn from them. Every area is different and they all have their particular geographical opportunities and challenges, but your point is well made. We need to see the variability and we need to be able to pinpoint and address where things can be improved.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

Yes. Clear glass in particular has a high value and we should make sure that we capture that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

I ask members to reflect on the fact that the regulations for a DRS including glass were voted for by a majority of the Parliament. The will of the Parliament could not be exercised, because there could not be an exclusion according to the UK Government at the time. What is important now is that we look forward and that we have an interoperable DRS that will mean that we do not have aluminium cans and plastic bottles littering our roadsides, because those materials will have a value associated with them, which will improve the recycling rates.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

Yes, absolutely. Of course, before the scheme administrator could be appointed, I was required to accept the recommendations and approve the scheme administrator, as was Northern Ireland and DAERA.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

Yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

The date by which the scheme should be operational is 1 October 2027. I hope that Parliament will agree to the regulations and that the scheme administrator will be in place. All three nations that are involved will be checking in with the scheme administrator on the milestones to ensure that it is ready to deliver by 1 October 2027.

As the scheme goes live, we will monitor its success. As I mentioned, it will be interesting to look at our recycling and recovery rates for certain materials in Scotland once the scheme is operational. It is important to stress that the DRS is not there to collect money; it is to improve the recovery of materials and the circular economy.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

That was a critical consideration in the process of appointing a scheme administrator. Questions were put to the applicants about how they would do those things.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

Yes. I should have clarified that. My official has clarified that, obviously, there are new duties associated with EPR and there are new fixed-penalty notices. There are also registration fees associated with EPR that go directly to SEPA, so I apologise for that comment—it was a bit misleading.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

Yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

I can give a high-level view. There will be variation. Some local authorities collect glass through kerbside collections. In some areas, such as mine, people do not get a kerbside collection of glass but go to whatever drop-off point the authority has put in place. There is value associated with the material that is recovered, although there may be local authorities that do not do any recycling of glass. The economics point will be variable around Scotland.

On the material difference, I will hand over to Haydn Thomas, but it is important to say that it was our intention to have glass in the scheme. An aspect that was convincing for me was the amount of broken glass that we have in our town centres and on our streets and our beaches. If there was a value associated with taking a glass bottle back, we would be less likely to see broken glass. I felt that the safety element was a strong case for the original regulations, as well as the economic argument.

The most important thing for us is the recycling rates. It will be economical. I will hand over to Haydn Thomas to take you through that, but the biggest saving relates to the materials—the recovery of the plastics and aluminium that will be associated with the deposit and return scheme. That represents a larger saving for society and indeed for our local authorities given their clean-up operations. Will we see a situation in a few years’ time where politicians will go to beach cleans and not see drinks containers any more? There will be a material impact on the amount of litter and the amount of clean-up that local authorities are charged with doing.