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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 July 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Scott Heald, who is online, wants to come in. It might be on an earlier question, but I will bring him in, anyway.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Welcome to the 33rd meeting in 2022 of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee. I have received apologies from David Torrance.

Under agenda item 1, do members agree to take item 3 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Gillian Martin

I will bring it back to views on the ministerial oversight aspects of the bill and how that might relate to the regulation of care in mental health services. I will come to Suzanne McGuinness first.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Gillian Martin

We will have a discussion in private after our public session ends. Is this something that you want to raise—

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Gillian Martin

We will make sure that we raise that point with the minister and get clarity in relation to your concerns and questions.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Gillian Martin

I assume that the goal is to implement a single interface that allows all people managing someone’s care to access the systems and information that is contained in them, such as when a person is transitioning from a clinical setting to a care setting.

I want to bring in the perspective of those who are in the care sector right now. Yesterday, when we were in Dumfries, people in that sector told us that, currently, they have to put multiple entries of the same information into different systems or that they have to access multiple systems, which is taking away from the time that they can spend with their clients. Do any of the witnesses have views on how we can help the workforce with the goal of having a single interface and on how that could be manageable?

One of the reasons why that comes up time and again is that—Sandesh Gulhane mentioned this from the health perspective—the workforce cannot access certain systems in which there is data and information that they require. People who work in social care also say that they spend much of their time having to log in to different systems to report on things or to get information, which takes away from the job that they are supposed to be doing.

I see that Beth Lawton is nodding. I know that I am rambling a little bit, but you get my point. From the perspective of those on the ground, what would need to be implemented to reduce the red tape around that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Gillian Martin

During the pandemic, freedom of information was one of the areas in which there were emergency powers because of the deployment of staff to other areas. I do not want to ask you to speculate, because you say that you do not know what the rationale is, but is there maybe something that relates to that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Gillian Martin

I want to bring the discussion back to the Government’s other drives and digital strategy with regard to health. I think that we have got into the situation in our discussion today of saying that the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill is what will introduce a single interface that links records but, in fact, an awful lot more is going on in Government on that. It is not the national care service that has prompted that work; the Government has been working on it for several years and it comes up time and again in the committee, in relation not just to the national care service but to every aspect of health and care.

A few of you have been in front of us before talking about that point in general. Can we put it into that context? There is a wider strategy to make that interface work for all health and social care systems, not just as part of the bill.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Gillian Martin

After we have heard from Scott Heald, we will go to Kenneth Meechan.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Emma, do you want to come back in?