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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 July 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Our substantive item of business today is consideration of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. We will have two evidence sessions and both panels will focus on ethical commissioning and procurement and the long-term sustainability of social care services. Our first panel of witnesses are with us and I welcome them.

In the room, we have Rachel Cackett, who is the chief executive officer of the Coalition of Care and Support Providers in Scotland; Karen Hedge, who is deputy chief executive of Scottish Care; Geri McCormick, who is head of commissioning at the Glasgow city integration joint board; and Julie Welsh, who is chief executive of Scotland Excel. Joining us online, we have Sandra MacLeod, who is the chief officer at Aberdeen city health and social care partnership.

We move straight to questions, and I will start by asking about the proposal on care boards. I am particularly interested in what Geri McCormick and Sandra MacLeod think, given the arrangements in which they are involved, about the potential for care boards to integrate services more. The committee has heard that there are things that integration joint boards and health and social care partnerships cannot do, hence the need for care boards. What are the current arrangements for procurement of services? Who is involved? Who is round the table with voting rights? How might care boards promote further integration?

I will bring Geri McCormick in first, and then Sandra MacLeod, who is joining us online.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Gillian Martin

I want to go round everyone on that question. Have you been involved in the co-design work that has taken place so far, and how would you see yourselves being involved after the bill is passed and once the co-design process begins?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Gillian Martin

That is helpful and it is a good start to the conversation about what we need to keep, where the gaps are and what our aspirations are for reform.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Before I hand over to my colleagues, I have a question for Rachel Cackett. Rachel, in your submission, you make some points about the notion of care boards and some recommendations as to what you would like them to look like. Given what we have heard about two areas where the bodies are, in effect, already working like care boards, it seems that there is good practice. From your perspective, what do you want to see in relation to care boards?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Sandra MacLeod wants to make a specific point.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Gillian Martin

We have touched on national and local governance arrangements, but we have specific questions on that area from Emma Harper and Paul O’Kane.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Gillian Martin

I thank all four witnesses for giving their time this morning in what has been a very helpful session. As I told the other panel of witnesses, it is great to hear your recommendations and ideas about what you want the bill and the national care service to look like.

At our next meeting, which will be on the afternoon of Monday 5 December, the committee will continue its scrutiny of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill with two more evidence-taking sessions. I should also say that it will be an external meeting in Glasgow.

That concludes the public part of today’s meeting.

12:06 Meeting continued in private until 12:25.  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Even though you proved that you can be trusted.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Gillian Martin

There has to be flexibility to meet need.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Stephanie Callaghan has some questions about housing and care.