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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 August 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

I get that not everybody in this room or across the Parliament agrees with our licensing proposals, but we always said that, if we did not feel that progress was significant enough—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

I point you to the evidence that you were given by NatureScot. It was put to NatureScot that a heavy-handed approach was being taken, but I got a clear impression from it that the way in which it wants to operate with regard to the licences is that, if concerns have been raised by the public or if it has its own concerns—however concerns have arisen—it will liaise with land managers, in the first instance, on those things and give them advice to help them to rectify the issues. It will not suspend a licence unless there is a very good reason to do so, and I think that that is the right approach to take. It will not be a case of a land manager getting a letter through the door that says, “Your licence is suspended” without any communication or collaboration, and with no opportunity for them to rectify some of the issues.

I come back to what Hugh Dignon said. Because NatureScot is a public body, there are quite a lot of guarantees as far as its behaviour is concerned. People can go to the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman if they are not satisfied with any decisions that NatureScot has made, and they can also challenge NatureScot’s decisions with a sheriff. I guess that that answers your question, but I imagine and hope—I certainly have this impression from hearing what NatureScot has had to say—that there would be a lot of negotiation and communication between NatureScot and land managers before any licence decisions would be made.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

We will look into that. I wrote to Trudy Harrison just over a week ago—maybe not even that long ago—so we need to hear back from her.

The issue will also be on the Welsh Government’s plate, so I guess that we need also to have a look to see what is happening there. The Welsh are in the same position as us, as the Senedd has voted to ban the sale and—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

I heard that witness’s testimony, and I have to say that he made a good case. I was thinking about it and spoke to my officials, who have been working on the bill for a lot longer than I have; you will appreciate that the environment brief came into my portfolio only just over a week ago. The officials had already significantly teased out a lot of the questions that I had about the matter.

The main reason why we ruled out a licensing scheme is that there is no regulatory framework in place for pest controllers. There is no accredited body, so the question is, what accreditation would someone who sells to a licensed pest controller have? Such accreditation does not exist, so how would sellers know that they were the real deal? England will have that situation, and I worry about how the English authorities will monitor and police it.

That is the main reason why we decided that a complete ban is the way to go. Glue traps are inhumane traps. I forget the name of the chap who was in front of you; he talked about using cameras and being on site. However, even an hour of being trapped in a glue trap is extremely distressing for an animal, because it is an inhumane type of trap. There is suffering involved and we feel that it is not possible to monitor a licensing scheme for glue traps in a watertight way.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Scrutiny of NHS Boards (NHS Golden Jubilee National Hospital, NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde and NHS Highland)

Meeting date: 28 March 2023

Gillian Martin

Okay. My colleagues will probably follow up on some of that. I ask Jane Grant for her perspective from Glasgow.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Scrutiny of NHS Boards (NHS Golden Jubilee National Hospital, NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde and NHS Highland)

Meeting date: 28 March 2023

Gillian Martin

What is the projected timescale for the review’s conclusion?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Scrutiny of NHS Boards (NHS Golden Jubilee National Hospital, NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde and NHS Highland)

Meeting date: 28 March 2023

Gillian Martin

We move on to questions about Covid recovery, led by Emma Harper.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Scrutiny of NHS Boards (NHS Golden Jubilee National Hospital, NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde and NHS Highland)

Meeting date: 28 March 2023

Gillian Martin

We will now talk about mental health services, the questions on which will be led by Paul Sweeney.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Female Participation in Sport and Physical Activity

Meeting date: 28 March 2023

Gillian Martin

I will bring in Emma Harper.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Female Participation in Sport and Physical Activity

Meeting date: 28 March 2023

Gillian Martin

That is a really good point. Thank you for making it. I bring in Eilidh Paterson, who is participating online.