Skip to main content
Loading…

Seòmar agus comataidhean

Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

Criathragan Hide all filters

Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 December 2025
Select which types of business to include


Select level of detail in results

Displaying 3323 contributions

|

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

John Mason

Could the minister go into a bit more depth about where the line is on that? We all agree that we do not want universities to lose their separate status, but part of me thinks that it is a good excuse not to do anything with universities because we might be accused of interfering with them. Has the minister discussed that with the ONS or had advice? Is the minister clear about where the line is?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

John Mason

Does the member not think that that question would be better asked as part of the debate on the budget rather than in a debate on the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

John Mason

I thank the member for giving way a second time. Again, I am sympathetic to him. That kind of thing has been tried—I think that Ben & Jerry’s tried it, if I remember correctly—and failed. The counter-argument would be that if our universities cannot attract the best people at the top, because they all go to England, America or wherever, our universities will suffer. How would you respond to that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

John Mason

That is exactly the point that I raised with Ross Greer earlier. His answer was that, in other areas through bodies such as Scottish Enterprise, we can insist on fair work, fair wages, the living wage and so on. Why is there a difference here, when we seem to be able to do it in other areas?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

John Mason

I fear that we are getting into a budget debate, but if more money is to go to the colleges, would the member like to suggest where that money should come from? I would suggest higher taxes. Would he agree with that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

John Mason

Can the member be more specific about where she thinks the problem is at the moment? Glasgow Kelvin College in my area has really taken a lead on this matter. That is one college that I have seen doing that kind of work. Does she think that some colleges and universities are not being so active?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

John Mason

An argument has been put forward by some of the universities—I am not saying that I agree with it, because I am sympathetic to what the member is trying to do—that this proposal strays into employment law. How would the member respond to that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

John Mason

That brings me to another thing that I wanted to ask you about. How satisfied do you think that victims and families are with the public inquiries that have concluded? I get the impression—perhaps especially from inquiries down south, because it is bigger and there are more of them—that, at the end of an inquiry, we get the report and see the family standing outside the court, or wherever it happens to be, saying how dissatisfied they are with it all. In some cases, people are just looking for revenge or for heads to roll, and they will not be satisfied if they get anything less.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

John Mason

That takes me on to something else. Do inquiries always shine a light? We all lived through Covid not so long ago. I was on the COVID-19 Committee in Parliament for quite some time, and we had repeated statements from the First Minister and debates in Parliament, or at least questions, very regularly. It is all very well for a judge or whoever to look back and say, “Oh—you could have done something differently,” but, at the time, we were going through a big crisis that none of us had been through before. If we had put money aside to prepare for it, there would have been less money for the NHS. There is a cost to preparing for things. Is the Covid inquiry really adding anything material that we did not know?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

John Mason

We could probably go further on that, but I will leave it for now.

Let us go back to the costs of an inquiry. It has been suggested that inquiries should be inquisitorial rather than adversarial, and I wonder whether we have got the balance right. From some of the evidence that we have had, it seems that there are lawyers absolutely everywhere. There are lawyers for the victims, lawyers for the Government, lawyers for the health board and lawyers for the police—lawyers, lawyers, lawyers. I know that there has been some kind of mitigation—for example, at least two or three groups can have the same lawyers, which saves a little bit of money. However, I wonder whether the whole thing has become just too legally driven. You have been asked at length about having judges as chairs, and, in a sense, having a judge as a chair will encourage that situation, because that is what they are used to.

11:00