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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 May 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

John Mason

Previous witnesses have made the point that audit is one thing but chasing up fraud and error is slightly different. Do you—

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

John Mason

Mr Faulds, do you have thoughts on this?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

John Mason

I did not quite catch that. What would be better than doing it in the proposed way?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

John Mason

Okay.

Some people will be fine with providing information and others will not. Should certain people be totally exempt?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

John Mason

You are starting on the issue that I was going to ask about next.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

John Mason

No, I am delighted.

The Government’s argument is that, if it makes the process voluntary and does not go back to the recipients of the payments, the information will be too vague and we will not be able to find out whether there has been error or whatever. Can it be done in another way? Could a test and learn system do that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

John Mason

What did I say?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

John Mason

Witnesses—right.

Does either Mr Smith or Ms Henderson have any thoughts on what the Government or Social Security Scotland could do other than the proposed approach? Is there a better way of auditing?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

John Mason

I kind of agree with you. As I understand it, for auditing, on the whole, we do not always have to go to the customers. If we are auditing a shop, we do not speak to the customers; we audit what is in the shop.

Unless Ms Henderson wants to add anything, I will go back to Ms Andrews, who had another point.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

John Mason

That is me done, convener. Thank you.