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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 May 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 25 April 2024

John Mason

Some people will keep copies of their original application forms and so on, but many will not. We have heard of an example in which somebody who wanted to make a redetermination request asked for a copy of their completed application form but had difficulty getting it. Would that be just a one-off? Would people normally be able to get the original application form?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 25 April 2024

John Mason

It is good to get that on the record.

I realise that I have put all my questions to Ms Devlin. Do the other witnesses want to come in on whether what is in the legislation is too specific or there is a bit of flexibility?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 25 April 2024

John Mason

Okay.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

John Mason

I accept that it is difficult. We are trying to strike a balance and not go to the extreme either of being too harsh or of being too easy going.

I wonder about the purpose of the audit. Audit was part of my training. If I was auditing Marks and Spencer, I would go in there and look at its systems, and if I found that it had been selling shirts for the wrong price, I would tick it off and that would go in the audit report. However, I would not go to the customer and ask them to give me the extra £10 that they did not pay for that shirt. If the purpose is to audit how Social Security Scotland is doing, that is fine—let us do that. However, it seems just to move on.

I would like some reassurance that what I describe is not going to happen. It seems to be a bit harsh that someone who has been through a bad experience in the first place would have their benefits cut simply because they had not engaged. As we have heard, some people will have been through a process of appealing to get the benefits that they are due. If it is simply the case that they have not responded and have done nothing wrong—or rather, that we do not know that they have done anything wrong—it would seem to be a bit harsh for them to have their benefits cut.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

John Mason

That was a very full and helpful answer.

Am I right in thinking that part 6 of the bill was not consulted on when the bill was being prepared?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Poverty and Inequality Commission Appointments

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

John Mason

I echo what Bob Doris has said. I was somewhat taken aback by how many people had applied to be the chair and commissioners; there seems to have been a very high level of applicants. I am also convinced that the process of sifting applicants down first to a short leet and then to the final nominees—who, as Bob Doris has said, seem to cover a wide range of ground—has been thorough. Therefore, I am happy to go ahead with the appointments.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

John Mason

Cabinet secretary, you might have picked up the feeling about audit from the evidence that we have taken. The overall feeling is that although, on the whole, we have introduced a social security system in Scotland that is considerably more caring, adaptable and flexible than that which was previously seen at the UK level, when it comes to the audit, some of the expectations seem to be quite harsh. Could you comment on that, to start with?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

John Mason

Did you say in your opening statement that you are open to, or are thinking about, stage 2 amendments in that regard? Did I pick that up correctly?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

John Mason

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

John Mason

In an interview referred to on page 54 of your report, the interviewee starts by saying,

“The current government is very enthusiastic about commissioners”,

but then makes the point that

“it’s becoming very confusing what a commissioner is”,

adding that

“the phrase commissioner is starting to lose its value in terms of what it is.”

Is it an issue that the term “commissioner” seems to mean a lot of different things in a lot of contexts?