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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

John Mason

You are on “Good Morning Scotland” a few times a week.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

John Mason

I might come back to you on that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

John Mason

Professor Bell, do you want to come in again?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

John Mason

Would health also be partly demand led?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

John Mason

Both of you gave helpful answers. You deal with different audiences—you have specialised people who know everything from back to front and you have the public, while MSPs and MPs are probably somewhere in the middle. The SFC has also been grappling with that and is trying to communicate more with the wider public.

The convener asked you about the word “transparency”. In one sense, the more data you produce, the more transparent the position might become for the experts, but is there a danger that that would make it less transparent and more complex for the ordinary person on the street?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

John Mason

You mentioned making a central forecast and that you are also trying to point out the risks and the variations that there could be. With tariffs, we really do not know what will happen. Things might get worse or they might get better. Also, there might be a trade deal. Do you think that that is well understood? Presumably, experts who read your reports get that, but does the wider population understand that, when you are making a forecast, that forecast is in the middle of a range of possibilities?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

John Mason

They need to or they should?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

John Mason

I will pursue the work that other committees are doing that has a financial impact but does not come under the heading “budget”.

Along with Ross Greer, I am on the Education, Children and Young People Committee, at which—as, I am sure, you are aware—the University of Dundee has come up. We are looking at Dundee’s finances, although those do not come under a budget heading, and we will probably look at the finances of the university sector as a whole. Is such committee work not quite useful? It feeds into the wider public’s thinking, and the Government then ends up saying, “Oh, we’d better do a bit more for universities.” Would you say that some of the work, therefore, is more indirect? Professor Bell, I see that you want to come in.

11:45  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

John Mason

If I picked you up correctly, Professor Bell, I think that you were a bit critical of the setting of the 2024-25 budget, saying that it could have taken a longer-term view and been a bit more robust, especially because of the public sector pay issue that overtook events. I am interested in what the Government could or should have done instead of what it did. For example, should it have been a bit more up front and said, “Well, we probably will have to have a 5 per cent pay increase”? However, would the unions then just have wanted 6 or 7 per cent, with it becoming a bidding war? Alternatively, should the Government have kept money back? Should it have kept 5 per cent of the budget in a pot, unallocated, potentially meaning cuts elsewhere, so that, if things went wrong, that money could smooth things out? How would that have worked?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

John Mason

I largely agree with your comments. As Michelle Thomson and I have previously discussed, when we, as members of this committee, sit on another committee, such as the Education, Children and Young People Committee, we have a responsibility to raise the financial issues, because, frankly, a lot of our colleagues do not.

Following on from that, I have asked both the Scottish Fiscal Commission and the OBR about how they communicate with the public and experts. They both think that they are making progress and that the public—which probably includes MSPs—now understand the finances better. Do you think that they are making progress on that?