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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

Being a little bit pessimistic, as I think that some of my colleagues are, too, today, it seems to me that, however well we do, however much we spend and however healthy the population becomes, the demand for health services will just grow and grow and grow. We will never be able to meet the demand; there will never be a time when supply equals demand. You can absolutely disagree with me. We have already mentioned mental health and obesity, which, when I was younger, were not talked about as much or were not there. Something else will turn up. If we sort obesity and mental health, it will be something else tomorrow, will it not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

In chapter 4 of the report, in the section on the determinants of health spending, you refer to demographics and other cost pressures. I was particularly interested in what you refer to as “the income effect”, which seems to say that, as people get wealthier, their expectations increase and therefore their demand for healthcare increases. You can tell me whether that is a correct summary. Earlier, we heard the idea, which would seem obvious, that, if people’s health improves, we will not need to spend so much on the health service. However, this seems to say the opposite—in other words, that, as people get better off, their health might improve in some ways, but, in other ways, we need to spend more money.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

As has been raised—and we will probably raise it in our next session as well—if you lay out a number of scenarios A, B, C and D, the media will go for the absolute worst of them. If we said that, if teachers get a pay increase, class sizes will have to increase to compensate, that would immediately become the headline. Politically, is it realistic to lay out options, some of which would be pretty unpalatable?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

John Mason

Setting up a completely new body flies in the face of where Parliament seems to be going. The Finance and Public Administration Committee is especially keen on not setting up completely new bodies, as there is a considerable cost to that. Scotland is a small country, and we should surely be able to do things in a more simple way and have fewer public bodies rather than increase their number.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

John Mason

The member gives different examples, but we also have good examples in the form of His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary in Scotland and His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Prisons for Scotland. Those are not legally separate organisations, but they are respected for their independence. Would he accept that it is possible, within one organisation, to have a degree of independence? A lot depends not on what is in the legislation but, as I think that we found with the SQA, on the people who are involved. If they perform, the system will work; if they do not, the system will not work.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

John Mason

As the member has pointed out, everyone must have confidence in whatever we end up with. None of the suggestions today is perfect—that is agreed—but they are not even good enough to give confidence to everybody. Does he agree that we are not yet at the stage of agreeing on one of the options?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

John Mason

Does Stephen Kerr accept that, although it is very easy to say that there is a problem—and we might all accept that there is—there is not a neat solution? Does he accept that, whatever we do in this situation, it will not be perfect? It might be a little better or worse than what we have at the moment, but there is no neat and tidy solution that ticks all the boxes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

John Mason

I will continue on that theme and play devil’s advocate. As Liz Smith has pointed out, things can happen in the very short term, whether that be changes to employer national insurance contributions, welfare or American tariffs—or all of those things. Given that, is there any point in making five-year forecasts, let alone 50-year forecasts?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

John Mason

There is one final area that I want to touch on. Both the SFC and the OBR are thinking of doing more on the expenditure side in general, rather than just looking at tax forecasts and social security. I think that the OBR is further down that route. Would that be helpful? Is it a good idea?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

John Mason

That is great. Thanks very much for your help.