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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

Can you spell out the difference that it could have made if we had had better and more frequent medium-term financial strategies in the past few years? You mentioned capital projects and workforce planning. Where might it have made a difference to those things, as well as to other aspects in the future? There are many capital projects—we want to build more houses and dual the A9—but we will not know what the capital budget is, so can we plan ahead?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

Okay. On a slightly different subject, you are a bit sceptical about the committees doing year-round work if they do not have enough information from the Government to do it. Can you expand on that? I am keen on the idea that the committees do work throughout the year in relation to the budget. For example, the Education, Children and Young People Committee has been looking at the situation at Dundee university, which has become quite a challenge. I see that as part of that committee’s budget work—it is not coming from the Government, it is coming from the circumstances and the situation around funding for universities. Do you not think that it is possible for the committees to do a lot of their budget work regardless of whether they get information from the Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

Michelle Thomson mentioned debt. That seems to be a difference between the UK’s sustainability—or lack of it—and Scotland’s, because debt is not an issue for us; we have only to cut our spending.

The stark figures show that, at the moment, the UK’s public debt is 98 per cent of GDP and that it will potentially go up to 274 per cent. Is there a psychological level at which the UK Government will have to do something? I would have thought that 100 per cent of GDP would have quite a psychological impact and that getting to 100 per cent is quite a big deal. Can you forecast—or does the OBR forecast—that when we get to, say, 150 per cent, the UK will suddenly change direction? Is it a gradual thing?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

I want to touch on one final area. I do not see much in the report about preventative spend. In one sense, all health spending is preventative, because spending on health improves people’s health, which prevents illness. However, is there an issue with how we spend the health money? If we put more into general practice and primary care and cut the money going to hospitals a bit, would that have a benefit in the long run? Have you considered that sort of issue?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

Would I be right in saying that, despite financial incentives, no country has succeeded in increasing the birth rate?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

As has been raised—and we will probably raise it in our next session as well—if you lay out a number of scenarios A, B, C and D, the media will go for the absolute worst of them. If we said that, if teachers get a pay increase, class sizes will have to increase to compensate, that would immediately become the headline. Politically, is it realistic to lay out options, some of which would be pretty unpalatable?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

You are talking about things like alcohol, tobacco and all of that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

Being a little bit pessimistic, as I think that some of my colleagues are, too, today, it seems to me that, however well we do, however much we spend and however healthy the population becomes, the demand for health services will just grow and grow and grow. We will never be able to meet the demand; there will never be a time when supply equals demand. You can absolutely disagree with me. We have already mentioned mental health and obesity, which, when I was younger, were not talked about as much or were not there. Something else will turn up. If we sort obesity and mental health, it will be something else tomorrow, will it not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

In chapter 4 of the report, in the section on the determinants of health spending, you refer to demographics and other cost pressures. I was particularly interested in what you refer to as “the income effect”, which seems to say that, as people get wealthier, their expectations increase and therefore their demand for healthcare increases. You can tell me whether that is a correct summary. Earlier, we heard the idea, which would seem obvious, that, if people’s health improves, we will not need to spend so much on the health service. However, this seems to say the opposite—in other words, that, as people get better off, their health might improve in some ways, but, in other ways, we need to spend more money.