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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

We have had evidence to suggest that the area of grounds hearings and the role of the reporter is becoming quite complex. Sheriff Mackie said that grounds hearings can become very difficult and confrontational and that cases in which grounds are not opposed would best be dealt with by a system that was more administrative, which would avoid the need for a hearing. Do you agree? Is that a possibility?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

Sheriff Mackie said that the bill stops short of introducing a more administrative system, and, instead, reinforces the existing system.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

I am not expecting you to know how many people are going to need or ask for aftercare, but I suggest that that is a very uncertain figure. Do you agree?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

I will leave it at that, convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

I suppose that we all have some of the public inquiries on our minds. If, for example, the chair of a public inquiry gets too close to one party or another, there can be at least the perception of a problem. That is perhaps what is being flagged up here: that the reporter could be swayed or something.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

As far as I can see, Sheriff Mackie, who is the expert on some of this, is struggling to understand how what you are proposing will work, and the rest of us are definitely struggling with that, too.

With regard to the role of the reporter, it has been suggested that there could be a conflict of interests for the reporter in meeting the child or the family earlier on than is presently the case. One witness suggested that the child might incriminate themselves if they meet the reporter earlier on.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

Is it just advocacy, or would there be a need for legal representation in some cases?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

I will let Tom McNamara speak in a second, but one suggestion was that the reporter might end up having to meet two or more groups separately, even within a family, before they went forward.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

I did not ask specifically about that, but that concern was raised with us.

With regard to controlling profit, I am sceptical about whether that will happen UK-wide or indeed elsewhere, because I know from experience that big companies are very clever at manipulating profit, charging management fees and so on.

On the night when committee members met the young people here, I met only a few of them, but it was interesting to hear one or two say that they were relaxed about whoever ran their care home making a bit of profit, as long as it went back into making buildings better and so on. They were more concerned about the possibility of the director or chief executive officer—whoever they might be—driving around in a really fancy car. If the director had a really nice car, that would reduce the profit—and that is my point. Once you get into such minutiae, it is almost impossible to control that sort of thing.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

Okay. We will keep an eye on that.

Building on that, I note that a slightly different approach has been proposed with regard to fostering, because the fostering service has to be a charity. First of all, can you explain the difference between the two approaches?