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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
John Mason
One assumption would probably be that the lower-paid workers in the public sector are better paid than the lower-paid workers in the private sector. As far as I see it, that is money going to the children, because those are the people who are working with them.
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
John Mason
It strikes me that we could set up a whole pile of bureaucrats and accountants who could study that, and all the rest of it. When it comes to capital expenditure—I have not asked about that; I do not think that I will—the local authority picture is often very different.
I move on to the fact that, under the bill, we are going to deal with residential provision in a different way from foster agency provision. The former will be not-for-profit provision; for the latter, the bill insists on the provider being a charity. Some of you raised that in your submissions, with regard to why that is the case. Are you all comfortable with that difference, or do you think that there should be no difference? Ms Wilson, you can start.
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
John Mason
Good advert—thank you. I will back that up.
My final point is about the financial memorandum as a whole. You have been asked specifically about advocacy and other things. The three big areas that are covered in the financial memorandum are extending aftercare, the advocacy service and paying the chairs of the hearings, which I am not touching on—we will assume that that figure is fairly fixed.
The committee will have to write a report. What will we say in that report? Will we say that the costs in the financial memorandum are definitely too low and should be double or three times as much, or should we just say that we do not know what the costs of all this will be?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
John Mason
We do not know how much each one is going to cost, do we?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
John Mason
So perhaps it is impossible to have a financial memorandum.
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
John Mason
In some circles, social workers are seen as compromised and not really independent because they are paid by the local authority and, therefore, part of their remit is to please the local authority. Are the two roles not separate? The social worker tries to work out the best result within the budget, and the advocate says, “Well, this may not be possible, but this is what the young person really wants.”
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
John Mason
As I said, that was just an aside.
Mr Savege, I want to ask you about something that you said a couple of times, which was about the danger of overlegislating. I wonder whether we could explore that, because I agree that we should not legislate in areas that we do not need to. If things work well, that is great, but even if 90 per cent of care-experienced young people have a good experience, how do we, as a Parliament, improve the system for the remaining 10 per cent without legislating?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
John Mason
Are they making too much profit?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
John Mason
Does anyone have those figures, or are we in the dark?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
John Mason
I think that Mr Berry wanted to come in.