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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

That is fair enough, thanks. I will move on to what I am supposed to be asking about before the convener gives me a row.

Ms Whitelock, on the financial side, you said quite a lot on behalf of COSLA about profits for residential care providers and the question of whether or not fostering agencies should be charities. First, is there a problem with profit and residential providers?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

Can I ask about providers exiting the market? For clarity, is the fear that, if we regulate the market more or require providers to not make or at least not distribute a profit, for example, some providers will just walk away and we will then have a problem with a lack of provision? Is that the concern?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

Do you have a clear definition of profit?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

Was that mainly about England and Wales?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

Does anyone else want to come in on that point?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

The bill cannot cover that area as well, but I accept that it is part of the answer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

I would like to talk about money, profits and so on. Ms Wilson, you tell us that we should learn from the Welsh experience. What should we learn?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

Am I right in saying that Wales is a little less strict than us with regard to fostering agencies, which we say must be charities, and a bit more strict with regard to residential care?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

I have asked other people this question, but they have not been able to answer it; I do not know whether you will be able to. Is it possible to draw a broad line and say that people in private sector residential care get poorer care and people in the public sector or the voluntary sector get better care?