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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

John Mason

Surely the argument that something has been done for 150 years is hardly an argument when we are trying to revamp the Scottish education system to keep it going. Would the cabinet secretary not accept, based on what Mr Greer has said, that the process is not independent? The Crown is only doing things that the ministers recommend.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

John Mason

It strikes me that, listening to Willie Rennie’s intervention—I obviously cannot intervene on him at the moment—part of the answer to that is surely related to the fact that the inspector could come before the education committee. Through the committee’s questioning, challenging and whatever, the inspector would have the opportunity to demonstrate their independence just by their attitude at the committee.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

John Mason

I take the member’s point that we would like to think that committees are listened to outside these four walls. However, would putting that requirement in the bill—we have oodles of other legislation that does not have such a requirement—not create an imbalance or a danger that we are specifically saying that, in this case, a body should listen to the committee and that, in the case of every other piece of legislation, a body should not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

John Mason

Some of what you are saying seems to repeat what we have heard before: that is, that the culture of the SQA has been seriously flawed. We are all agreed on that point. As I have done before, I question whether that is about the structure or about making sure that the right people are in place.

My second point follows on from my previous intervention about setting up a new body, which would also require premises, staff, costs and so on. I would hope that Mr Ross would be in favour of simplifying the public sector landscape and cutting the number of civil servants, but this amendment seems to go in the opposite direction.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

John Mason

I take Ross Greer’s point, but I go to many meetings—as, I am sure, he does—at which some groups are quite passive and just follow the lead, while others are more active. Is he really convinced that forcing the board to have a vote will suddenly switch it from being passive to being active?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

John Mason

How long do you plan to go on tonight? I do not think that we will get through this by 9 o’clock.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

John Mason

I take on board what the member said in response, but, from his argument and from my experience, it seems to be more the specific people who were involved who were not having regard to what the committee, or even, perhaps, the Government, said.

However, that is always a risk in almost every situation, and I have to wonder whether putting what is proposed in legislation is not overdoing things. I have a fear that the same could happen in other organisations—they could stop listening to Parliament. I just do not think that we can put this into all legislation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

John Mason

Pam Duncan-Glancy said that amendments 261 and 271 require qualifications Scotland to comply with the learner charter and the teacher and practitioner charter, respectively. However, the amendments say that qualifications Scotland must comply with

“the expectations set out in”

the charters. Can she clarify the difference between complying with the charters and complying with the expectations set out in them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

John Mason

Does the member accept that it would be different if ministers had the power to take away some responsibility of the inspector, but that ministers having the ability to add something on surely does not affect the inspector’s independence?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

I may go over some of the ground that the convener has already been over. The assumption is that it is a good thing to have a medium-term financial strategy and plans for the future. For example, the Scottish Fiscal Commission and the Office for Budget Responsibility look 50 years ahead. As has been said, we must balance the budget every year, but unexpected issues can come up. An example is the UK Government giving public sector workers a higher pay increase, which we must follow. Are you convinced that there is value in having a five-year plan?