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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

John Mason

So the janitor and the admin staff would not be getting that training.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

John Mason

We could probably go on all day about this; it is really interesting. Ms Leitch, do you want to add anything on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

John Mason

Training has been mentioned a few times, so I will try to build on what has been said and pin the issue down a bit.

Ms Martin, say, for example, that there is a secondary school in my constituency that has a unit attached to it for autism and other special needs, with the kids spending some of their time in the unit and some of their time in the mainstream school. Who needs to get training in that area? As I think that we heard from Ross Greer, we cannot train all teachers in everything.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

John Mason

Would you include, say, the school janitor and school admin staff who might happen to witness an incident, or would you tell them, “No, you do not get involved. You call an appropriate teacher”?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

John Mason

Thank you. That was helpful.

Dr Webster, that brings us to the subject of who should be doing the training. One of the councils has argued that it should be allowed to do its own in-house training, with the idea that staff would then train other staff. Should there be a list of trainers?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

John Mason

Ms Sanger, one of the submissions—it might not have been yours; it might have been from one of your colleagues—suggested that we should have some bad list of people who are not to do training. Is that a serious suggestion?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

John Mason

Might it be better to say that all the trainers have to adhere to a certain standard or be passed as qualified, instead of saying, “Here is a list of names”?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

John Mason

Barnardo’s Scotland has commented that a little bit of training might actually do more harm than good, because it gives people the idea—[Interruption.] I see that you are shaking your head.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

John Mason

Dr Webster, there is the idea that a little bit of training actually enables people to think, “Oh well, I will do restraint.” Is that a fair concern?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

John Mason

I unwisely volunteered to ask questions that no one else wanted to ask, so I have things that are dotted around the bill.

Clearly, we have a responsibility to kids, especially to young people with special needs. We also have responsibility to staff, including council employees, whether they are employed directly or indirectly. The NASUWT talks about taking into account

“the duty of care to all in the school community by ensuring rights are not viewed exclusively through the lens of the child who may be the subject of an intervention”.

Do you think we are getting the balance right between our duties to an employee—such as a teacher who might be subject to physical threat—and the rights of the child?