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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

I think that that was around November, which means that, despite all the scrutiny and discussion, you had not picked up on the problem any more quickly than the university court. Is that correct?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Another aspect of financial sustainability is that the SFC needs to identify at-risk institutions. My understanding is that it already has that ability, but that that will now be put into statute. The committee has looked specifically at the University of Dundee, where the SFC did not seem to pick up quickly that there was a problem. Does the bill go far enough in that area, or do we need to do more?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Do we leave it to the SFC to work out the regime? There seems to be an expectation that colleges and universities will come to the SFC to say that they have a problem, although, clearly, some of them have not done that in the past. On the other hand, the universities are saying, “You shouldn’t be interfering in parts of our work where the research is separately funded.” It seems to me that we need a balance somewhere.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

I am not asking what happened; I am asking when you picked up that there was a serious problem.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

The University of Dundee has been mentioned today. The committee has discussed the issues there. When did you pick up on the serious problems at Dundee?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

I accept that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Would they not be admitted as if they were new employees starting on that date?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Will the member take an intervention?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Okay—thanks.

Professor Seaton, you said that simplifying the landscape is a good thing, and I am certainly in favour of that. Are there risks to doing that? The SFC’s staff numbers will grow dramatically. Will it be hard for it to get right the balance between the university-college side and the apprenticeship side?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

From some of the evidence that we have had, we get the impression that the relationship between Skills Development Scotland and business and industry has been quite good, but there is some nervousness in some circles that that will be disrupted. For example, the UK Fashion and Textile Association said:

“Historically, the SFC has been more focused around research and academia but if also taking over from SDS they need to hit the ground running in terms of being employer facing.”

Is there a concern that the SFC will struggle to have as good a relationship with industry as SDS has had?

Either of the witnesses can answer that.

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