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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 September 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

John Mason

Mark Logan, the digital side is seen as being for young people. Are there enough older people in that area? Should older people be getting more training in it?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

John Mason

That was helpful.

Perhaps I can stick with you for just a minute. On the point about the state perhaps supporting more training for younger people but less for older workers, I have a small firm in my constituency that takes two apprentices every year. It deliberately takes one younger and one older apprentice, because it sees the advantage in having both, but it gets more support for the younger apprentice.

Going back to the issue of post-employment skills development, I believe that you said that it was terrible and that we should remove disincentives in that respect. What did you mean by that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

John Mason

The discussion has been very interesting and has covered a lot of ground; I realise that I am the last questioner.

Coming from an accounting background, I want to pin down some numbers, especially with Professor Mitchell. You said that we should be bolder, so I was going to ask whether we should, for example, take 10 per cent off the hospital budget and put it into primary care. However, you then said that we can do things only incrementally. Would it be useful to have some fixed concept over the next few years, whereby we give, say, 1 per cent less than we might have to secondary hospital care and 1 per cent—or the equivalent figure—more to primary care? That might give us something solid that we as a committee could agree on and then put to Parliament. After all, as everyone has pointed out, we have not made the progress that we might have done.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

John Mason

On that point, before I come to Mr Boyle, you are arguing that, just as there has been a need for extra tax for care services, we could put in place—we would have to choose whether we wanted to do so—a tax for extra preventative spending. That could be done to launch it all, in a sense. We all seem to have said that we cannot cut anything, so we will wait until we have extra money, and once we have that, we will put it into preventative care, and that is never going to happen.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

John Mason

Mr Boyle, you can comment on that, too. I was interested that you said that it would be better to measure how safe people are rather than how many police we have. As an auditor, do you think that that would be practical? I did a tiny bit of auditing earlier in my life and I know that measuring the number of police is easier than measuring people’s safety. If we were safer but had fewer police, what would Liz Smith, the Daily Record and everybody else complain about? [Laughter.]

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

John Mason

Before I bring in the other witnesses, that leads me on to another thought. The point has been made that one of the Christie principles was about more joint working, collaboration and so on. Out of that came the health and social care partnerships or integration joint boards, whatever they are currently called, but from my perspective, those are just another kind of new body. Professor Mitchell talked about ensuring that we do not simply add more institutions, but now, instead of a situation in which I either write to the chief executive of the health board or the chief executive of the council, I have a third option, as I can also write to the chief executive of the integration joint board.

My question for you all is whether that kind of thing—not necessarily IJBs specifically, but more generally—has been a mistake or has not worked in the way that it was meant to. If so, why is that the case?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

John Mason

For my last point, I will return to Professor Mitchell. You said that, during Covid, we have seen action. In Glasgow, we got cycle lanes quickly, although there was no consultation with the community. To my mind, that immediately suggests that there has been a trade-off. Consultation will take place on whether the cycle lanes are to be permanent, but it did not happen before they were put in. We also got off the street most people who were sleeping on the street, but that meant that people who were overcrowded in their housing could not get another house. I presume that the answer to that is to provide more housing. Will such trade-offs always exist?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

John Mason

That is possible.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

John Mason

Minister, you told the convener that some funding would be allocated in the spring budget revision. Can you explain why that cannot be done now?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

John Mason

You also said that there was a Barnett guarantee last year. We knew the minimum that we were going to get. What is the worst case scenario? Is it that all of the extra UK funding would be just a reallocation of existing funding and we would not get any consequentials?