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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

Okay. We will chase up other people on that point.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

Mr Forde and Ms Pasternak, you have said more about profit, so I will come to you next. Mr Hogg made a good point about the need to have a clear definition of profit, because the language in the bill seems vague. Section 8 says that regulations

“may specify … how the level of profit … is to be determined”.

Goodness knows that accountants have been arguing over what profit is for hundreds of years, so it seems unlikely that the Scottish Government is going to come up with a definition in 10 minutes.

Can either of you give me your thoughts about profit? Should there be any profit? Should we eliminate profit, or are we talking about excessive profit or something else?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

Do you think that the bill is too vague? I am not sure if you were here earlier, but I read out the provision that says that the regulations

“may specify ... how the level of profit made by types of person ... is to be determined”,

which seems quite vague.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

Mr Dunlop, you said that profit is a distraction and that we want love, but we cannot put that in the legislation, which must deal with things such as profit. Is that fair?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

We could probably debate that for quite a long time.

Would either of the other two witnesses like to talk about the profit element?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

What would that standard rate be?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

That would be helpful—thank you.

Finally, on the financial memorandum as a whole, I see that we are expected to get to a figure of £20 million to £23 million in 2029-30. Is it your overall feeling that that figure is reasonable? Is it a bit too low, or a bit too high?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

Does anyone else want to say anything about the financial memorandum as a whole?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

On the aftercare and the advocacy?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

Do you have a final word, Mr Dunlop?