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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 February 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

John Mason

Right—it is back to me. I accept that auditing a bank and investigating a death are different issues, but I wonder whether we could learn even a little bit from the former. Almost every other career, job or profession—whatever we want to call it—is time limited. Cleaners would like to spend longer cleaning things, but they have to do it within a certain time. Auditors use the concept of materiality. Yes, they might find that somebody has stolen £100 from the Royal Bank of Scotland, but, in the scheme of things, that is not material and they will put it aside when they come to their conclusion as to whether the financial statements give a true and fair view. We seem to be going to the other extreme with some of the public inquiries, which perhaps go into too much detail and lose sight of the bigger picture and what is material. Do you think that some lessons can be learned from other professions?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

John Mason

I suggested this to one of the judges and to other witnesses who appeared before the committee. Could we go for a model in which you say to the chair, “You’ve got two years and £10 million—do the very best you can within that”?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

John Mason

I totally agree that that is the aim, and that is where we should be. I am just a bit concerned that we have strayed away from that, at least in some inquiries, and the process has become much more—and the public see it much more—like a court of law, with one side arguing their case and one side arguing the other case.

Let us turn to the issue of recommendations. You have explained a little bit how the recommendations from an inquiry are put into place. Do you think that we need more of a structure for that? Should there be a Parliament committee to look at that? Alternatively, subject committees could look at different inquiries. Does there need to be more of a process in that regard?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

John Mason

I move on to something completely different. The 2005 act has been mentioned a few times. Do we have complete freedom to change that or introduce a new law, or are we in any way bound by the 2005 act?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

John Mason

Would that be independent legislation to change the 2005 act, even though it is reserved?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

John Mason

Okay—I will leave it at that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

John Mason

The member expresses some doubt in her remarks, but does she think that there are enough teachers willing to volunteer to get all the kids who should be going on courses to go?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

John Mason

I am interested to hear what the member in charge of the bill has to say on that area, especially in relation to her amendments 13 and 14, which are in the next group. It is about making it as far as reasonably practicable. One of the reasons that it might not be practicable for a school to send kids on a residential trip is that no teachers, or not enough teachers, are volunteering. I raise that as a question, and I am interested to hear what the member has to say.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

John Mason

I do not wish to labour the point, but would not having enough volunteer teachers in a school for a trip be one of those reasonable reasons?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

John Mason

I did not realise that we were proceeding quite so quickly, convener.

Following my intervention on Pam Duncan-Glancy, I continue to struggle to see how the proposals would work in practice. As the member said, teachers are under a lot of pressure, and concerns have been raised by the unions that, if the proposals move on to a statutory footing and if there is a large increase in the number of young people going on residential trips, that will change the whole nature of them.

I totally support the idea of teachers volunteering, which works at the moment. With a bit of extra money, we could build on that.

However, if we bring the proposals into legislation, it would be very difficult to maintain the idea of voluntarism.