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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

John Mason

Fair enough.

Let me see if I am understanding this correctly: in a better off area, there might be fewer kids from a deprived background, but the school can focus on them and give them extra support. There are parts of my constituency, though, where everyone in the whole area—or at least part of it—is struggling, which makes things very difficult for the school. Is that a picture that you recognise? It pulls me back to the idea that physical SIMD areas provide a good measure, because that will be reflected in the schools. Am I being unfair?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

John Mason

You said that no institution is immune to the issues. Earlier, we talked about how there is quite a big difference between universities. One of the differences is that the University of Edinburgh has reserves of some £2 billion, and the University of Glasgow has about £1 billion, whereas Glasgow Caledonian University and the University of the West of Scotland have very little in comparison. The University of Edinburgh could run for 15 years with a deficit of £140 million and still be stable, so I struggle to understand why it is making anyone redundant. Obviously, you cannot speak for that university, but is it not the case that we have some very rich universities that do not need support and some poorer universities that need more support?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

John Mason

Ms McPherson spoke about a basket of measures. I have also asked the commissioner this question. Is there a danger that, if the measures become too wide and, in a sense, too individual, it will be very hard to see whether we are making progress because there are so many factors to consider? The SIMD is pretty clear cut. It gives us a clear measure and we know how we are doing.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

John Mason

Would you stick with the SIMD as the galvanising measure? Should it be free school meals or something else?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

John Mason

Ms Rohmer, you talked about rural areas, which are such big areas that there are bits in poverty and bits that are better off. Is it not the case that a poorer family in a better-off area will tend to get more support and care, whereas a family or an individual who lives in an area where everybody is deprived, such as parts of the east end of Glasgow, for example, will find it much more difficult to access care because there is so much need?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

John Mason

Mr Dunphy, we are talking about trying to make the whole system more individualised to target where need is greatest. I made the point to the commissioner that, sometimes, there are two families or households that appear to be in similar financial situations, but in one, there is great cohesion and real commitment to education from the adults, and in the other, there is not. Can we get to a stage where we target the support to the individual or student who needs it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

John Mason

Thanks very much.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

John Mason

I want to pursue a little further Jackie Dunbar’s point about Scottish index of multiple deprivation areas. I have just been looking at a map of my own constituency in that context. I get the argument that the index is perhaps a bit rough and ready—there might be better-off people in lower deciles and poorer people in other areas—but is it not a good clear-cut measure that people understand? Once we start bringing in this, that or the next thing, does it not all just become vague, so that it is then hard to pin down whether we are making progress?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

John Mason

Will you explain what the identification number is? I am new to this. Is it like a national insurance number?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

John Mason

Who would have access to that? Does that mean that, if somebody applies to university, the university can find out all about that person’s history?