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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

John Mason

That was a good estimate, so that is good.

Looking at the current year—2022-23—and the £25 million or whatever it might be, given what Liz Smith has already asked about with regard to how we are a bit uncertain about the timing of the framework review, I am a bit concerned that that is involving the current year’s budget. Presumably, the uncertainty about that figure causes you quite a lot of uncertainty about what you can do this year. I do not know whether there are other figures elsewhere that will be backdated to 1 April, depending on when the spending review is. We might not even know that until next year.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

John Mason

I am not sure that it does. I was not going to ask you about that paragraph, but now you have raised it, I will. Can we say that the £25 million is small enough in the scale of things to mean that we can just cope with that? We are looking at other figures, and I do not know whether the £25 million is in the £324 million or whether the £324 million is different.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

John Mason

Okay, that is nice and clear. That is fine.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

John Mason

I am happy to ask a simple question and get a simple answer. That is commendable.

Paragraph 45 of the guide talks about the emergency budget review:

“While the amounts outlined in the letter are savings based on the in-year budget monitoring position, these do not necessarily correspond to a budget being formally surrendered as part of a gross funding movement.”

I am struggling with the phrase “budget being formally surrendered” and what that would mean. It goes on:

“This is because these savings may be against forecast pressures”

that

“are being transferred internally”.

Again, I am not sure that I understand what “forecast pressures” that are “being transferred internally” means.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

John Mason

Right. Some of them are savings that would have been made anyway, so the EBR, effectively, does not impact on that area.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

John Mason

Okay. That is the difference: the total is part of the emergency budget review, but some of it—£223.9 million—is in this autumn budget review. Is that right?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

John Mason

Okay. Other colleagues may want to come in.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

John Mason

Right, okay.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

John Mason

Right. I remember that you made an estimate of different things, including this, and, actually, it is turning out better. So, this year, we do not need to worry too much about when the fiscal framework review concludes because we are basically okay for this year. Is that a fair summary?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

John Mason

Okay, that is a good, clear answer.