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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

John Mason

I should point out that I live in my own constituency, so I am certainly not your constituent, convener.

We have covered a lot of areas. Liz Smith pointed out that there are certain parallels between the relationship that we have with Westminster and the relationship that local government has with us, so there are lessons that we can all learn from one another.

I am thinking about the year end and wondering whether we can learn lessons from local government. I understand that councils have reserves and, broadly, can even out their year-end balances better by using money that they have been able to keep in reserve. Some of that money is for a particular purpose and some of it is just kept for general purposes. Are there lessons that we can learn from that, which might improve the situation with regard to the reserves that we are allowed to keep in terms of our relationship with Westminster?

On the capital side, we have what I feel is quite an artificial limit of £3 billion, whereas local government has a prudential borrowing opportunity, which seems to work quite well.

In general, do you think that we could improve the fiscal framework by learning from those relationships?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

John Mason

I am sure that the committee is unanimous in wishing you well on that.

Another area that has already been touched on is that of what the impact on us will be of any announcement of spending at UK level. We accept that last year was exceptional, with huge Barnett consequentials, some of which were guaranteed during the year. I follow the logic that that cannot happen on an on-going basis, although we could probably argue about that. You will have a better understanding than I do of what people at Westminster think about that.

If new money is announced at Westminster for, say, a care service in England, for health or, indeed, for anything, should not those who make the announcement, at the time that they make it, have an idea of how much of that is new money and how much is being reallocated? I assume that when you make a spending announcement, you will have had to think about how much of the money has been reallocated from somewhere else—as you recently made clear with the extra support that was made available—and how much of it is new money from somewhere.

Could the Government at Westminster not do more to give an indication in that regard? As you have said, its position completely changed within the space of a few days. Could it be a bit more open in that respect, or does it just not have those figures?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

John Mason

I do not want to be too sympathetic to Westminster, but it is helpful to understand how the process works.

The cabinet secretary’s letter about business support—we certainly did get it yesterday—was interesting. I have a lot of taxi drivers in my constituency, who are always on at me about wanting more business support. When I saw the figures, I was struck by how much the taxi and private hire sector has been allocated. I do not argue that it should get less, but £28 million for the sector is a considerable amount when we look at the figures for other sectors. What is your thinking on why that sector got £28 million?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

John Mason

Therefore, ultimately, the First Minister does not really have the final decision.

As a more general question, in your opening statement, which the convener quoted, you talked about a culture in which people have confidence and can engage constructively. Later, you talked about having a positive culture. How far away are we from that at the moment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

John Mason

So if somebody wanted to bring along a lawyer, that would—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

John Mason

That is helpful.

Moving to more specific points, I note that the Deputy First Minister’s letter in the annex to paper 1 talks about “further engagement”, including, obviously, with the committee and specifically with the trade unions. Mr Swinney has already said that the trade unions have been involved. Is it fair to say that they are basically happy with the policy?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

John Mason

The seriousness of the matter would largely be considered case by case.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

John Mason

Absolutely. However, if there was a blatant case in which it was found by the external system that somebody had been guilty of something and that the First Minister at the time had ignored that, could Parliament not still come in at that point?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

John Mason

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

John Mason

Under the heading “Where parties involved may be the victim of a crime”, the draft procedure states:

“No pressure will be put on a complainer to make any particular decision; if they do not want to tell the police, they do not have to.”

It goes on to say:

“the Scottish Government may have an obligation to bring the matter directly to the attention of the police.”

I do not quite understand how that works. Could you explain that point a bit?