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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

Is the issue related to the kind of legal bodies that the care boards will be?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

I was going to come on to assets and things like that, so let us explore that a wee bit further. Can Ms Wearing or anyone else give us an idea of the situation? If we take care homes, for example, or other care assets, is there a variety of models? Are they mainly owned or leased, or are private finance initiatives in there somewhere? How does the borrowing work? Does it relate to a particular care home? Can you give us a bit more background or detail?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

As it happens, one of the Glasgow care homes is in Dalmarnock, which is in my constituency.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

Is your understanding that the local council would decide whether it wanted to transfer a particular care home or other asset to the national care service, or would that be a decision for the national care service? How would that be decided?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

That is okay. My point is that, if we are looking at every individual care home for every council, the third sector and private sector, that will be a lot of work for somebody.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

I will move on. VAT has been mentioned. I do not know whether any of our finance experts can give us the background on that. Earlier, I tried to press the officials on whether they could work round the VAT or whether we are dependent on HMRC and Westminster to make decisions about it. I think that we ended up paying money in relation to the police and fire services, which we did not really want to do. Do you have an angle on VAT? Are you concerned about it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

The final area on which I will touch is what happens if the staff transfer. There was a suggestion in, I think, the CIPFA submission that some staff might not be able to transfer under TUPE.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

John Mason

My final question is about the investment zones that have been announced. My concerns about those kinds of things are that we lose tax, for one, and that existing jobs move from one area to another just to get those kinds of benefits. Can you say anything about the investment zones? Do we know anything about them?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

John Mason

Is it your understanding that the UK Government had forecasts that warned about those things, but ignored them and went ahead anyway, or did it not even look at the forecasts?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

John Mason

If housing associations are to build less, that will be a saving on the capital budget for the Government, presumably, because they will not be wanting the grants that they could have had?