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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 May 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

John Mason

Sticking with bankruptcy, there is a question around electronic communications. We have all moved on in that respect during the pandemic. The point was made, however, by the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland—of which I am a member—that creditors are perhaps more ready, able and willing to operate in the electronic environment, whereas debtors might not be so much. The suggestion is that we should perhaps consider creditors and debtors differently from that point of view. Even debtors who had been able to communicate electronically might not be able to do so as their financial situation gets worse.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

John Mason

Moving on to the subject of bankruptcy, we had a fair bit of discussion on the threshold for when someone becomes bankrupt. There was quite a lot of support for the level of £5,000. However, if inflation is 10 per cent, that £5,000 is effectively worth £4,500 after a year, and it is worth £4,000 after another year. I do not know whether the cost of living challenges make any difference to the Government’s thinking. Do you think that £5,000 is the best level?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

John Mason

Could you maybe give me an example of regulations that would indirectly impose restrictions?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

John Mason

I welcome the fact that we will not have to wear masks in churches and other places of worship as of Monday. The idea of gradually reducing the requirement for masks is sensible.

My question follows on from what Professor Leitch just said about the three categories. We have 2,300 people in hospital with Covid who span those categories, as I understand it. Is it possible to break down how many people are in hospital because of Covid and how many would have been in hospital anyway but have Covid as well?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

John Mason

That is very helpful.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

John Mason

I take the point that we could start anywhere in the circle and, if one or two people start referring more often to the national framework and so on, other people will catch on.

I was a bit surprised that the Parliament came out in a positive light. The Scottish Parliament information centre said:

“There are some good examples across all categories of organisation, not least in the work of parliamentary committees”.

Much as I respect SPICe, I have sat on a lot of parliamentary committees that have never—or hardly ever—mentioned the NPF.

Figure 3, on page 15 of your report, says:

“Parliamentary scrutiny recognises and values individuals and collective (whole system delivery).”

Where do we go in Parliament? Do you have any advice for us? Should we be using the words “national performance framework” a bit more in order to raise awareness?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

John Mason

You do not want to give me a bad example.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

John Mason

I have a question about where the NPF is working, or not working, and you might want to praise somebody, but might not want to embarrass somebody else. Can you give us good or bad examples of where you feel progress is being made, or where somebody is doing it well, whether that is a council, a health board, the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations or whatever?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

John Mason

I confess that I am not aware of the Scottish Leaders Forum and exactly how it came about or what it is for. I note that the third sector is included, but the private sector generally is not. Can you give me some clarification on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

John Mason

That is helpful, because we are talking about leadership in Scotland, and there is clearly leadership outside the public sector and the voluntary sector. I get that.

I will follow up the convener’s line of questioning. I have always wondered, and continue to wonder, whether some things are just too vague. I know that when you go down the levels you get a bit more detail, but let me give an example.

One of the 11 national outcomes is:

“We are healthy and active”.

I do not see anyone around the table—indeed, there is probably no one in Scotland—saying, “Oh, that is a bad aim. We should not be healthy or active.” Obviously, everyone wants that outcome to be achieved, but people do not talk about it, or at least they do not talk about it in relation to the national performance framework; they just say that we should be healthy and active or whatever. Is there a fundamental problem that the outcomes are too vague?