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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

We heard about an example earlier in which one teacher intervened and another did not, and both ended up facing a challenge.

I will ask my final question, because we are running out of time. You mention in virtually every line of your report that we need more resources and that that is the real answer, but you also express pessimism that there is not going to be much more resource and that you will simply get your 1 per cent of whatever it might be. Would you accept that we have to do something within the existing resources and that we cannot just sit back and wait until we have enough resources?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

Mr Britton, you seem to suggest—if I read your submission correctly; maybe I have got that mixed up with the view of the NASUWT witness, who has gone—that it should, in a sense, be up to the staff to choose what training they get, rather than making it mandatory. Am I misunderstanding or is that your line?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

John Mason

What about work on air departure tax?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

John Mason

Might it be five years, or 10 years?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

John Mason

One part of the report says:

“The Scottish Government remains committed to fulfilling Smith recommendations”,

which includes VAT,

“but must also protect the Scottish budget from unnecessary levels of risk.”

That is fine, but I thought that you might have said, “We are forgetting VAT—we have agreed with the UK Government that that is not happening.”

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

John Mason

It is helpful to get that clarification.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

John Mason

Public sector reform has already been mentioned, and I think that the assumption of us all is that it will reduce the workforce, costs and so on.

Last week, we debated the Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. It moves things around, mainly from Skills Development Scotland to the Scottish Funding Council, and the financial memorandum says that it is going to cost £33 million. I was encouraged to find, last week, that that figure had come down to £22 million, but it still seems like a lot of money to rearrange the furniture and, indeed, seems to be going in the opposite direction of what we thought was going to happen, which was to reduce the number of public bodies, the workforce and so on.

How do those things tie together? Is the bill a bit of an outlier, or is it a sign of things to come?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

John Mason

It is good that the £33 million has come down to £22 million, but everyone, including Mr Macpherson, has accepted that that is not the final figure and there are still some uncertainties.

Another interesting point that came up in the discussion on the bill is that, as Skills Development Scotland is losing or—I should say—transferring a lot of its work to the Scottish Funding Council, SDS subsequently plans to make some of its staff redundant, which will cost between £4 million and £8 million. That was a bit of a surprise as it was not in the financial memorandum, but it subsequently appeared in the Government’s letter responding to the stage 1 report.

It strikes me as slightly odd for an organisation to plan to transfer many of its staff who work on a specific task, which is apprenticeship funding, to then be left with too many staff at the end of the process. It is not your issue, cabinet secretary, but it makes me think that there are bits of the public sector that may have too many staff and where savings could be made, but that there are other areas where that does not apply.

I do not know whether you or Ivan McKee consider SDS to be a front-line service. Are we looking at making savings across the board, or do you feel, as I am beginning to, that there are more savings to be made in some areas than in others?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

John Mason

That was a short answer to my question. I will move on to a few other points.

The convener has already asked you about the proceeds of crime. The fiscal framework outturn report and other documents note that discussions are on-going and that different things are still being looked at. One issue is the block grant adjustment for the aggregates tax—is that progressing?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

John Mason

That is exactly my point—the convener takes the words out of my mouth. I think that the cabinet secretary had indicated before that it would not happen, so I am surprised that it still features as a possibility in the report.