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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

That will do for now.

You said that you will give us more information as we go forward. Can you clarify whether the financial memorandum will be revised before stage 3 or whether the business cases—which are, I take it, not part of the statutory process—will be on-going, perhaps for years?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

Probably, given that a lot of—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

That is okay. I am not too worried about that. How do you see the process of developing the business cases? Will it be an annual process, or maybe a six-monthly one? Will the business cases go to the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee or will they come to us?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

Another concern that witnesses raised with us is that, if secondary legislation is used for some of the roll-out of the national care service, there will be less scrutiny of it. That is normally the case with secondary legislation.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

You have suggested that some local authorities might continue to run assets such as care homes—certainly, Glasgow has built some quite modern ones—and that some assets might be transferred into the national care service. An issue has been raised with us about how the finances for that would work. Some councils might have paid off loans, but some might still have loans or public-private partnership agreements linked to new care homes. Do you know whether the Government would be taking on the loan as well as the asset or, again, will that be considered in later discussions?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

You mentioned staff transfer, which is another issue that has been raised with us. Even among care staff working for councils, there will be a wide range of terms and conditions at the moment, and that range will be even wider when the third and private sectors are brought in. Where are we on the costs of that? I presume that, in the long run, the aim is to consolidate people’s terms and conditions so that they are more consistent.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

With the college regionalisation process, it took quite a lot of time to align the staff terms and conditions and pay. Is it fair to say that that would be quite a major process?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

My final question follows on from that. Many people are comparing the NCS with the NHS. The NHS has quite a mixed model because, in effect, general practitioners and dentists are private businesses. Is it that the kind of mixed model that you foresee as the way forward?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 November 2022

John Mason

I also want to touch on the issue of long Covid. The committee will do a separate investigation into that, so we will not go into it in huge depth right now. However, one of the trade unions suggested that people are afraid of disclosing long Covid to their employers. A suggestion came from elsewhere that, perhaps, some employers are more sympathetic to staff who have long Covid than other employers. Do any of the witnesses have a comment on that or any experience of that? Louise Murphy, do you have any thoughts on it?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 November 2022

John Mason

That is helpful—thank you.