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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 July 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

John Mason

I have a question on that point, which is also tied back to something that you said earlier. One of those long-term trends might be that people are doing less shopping in town and city centres, and maybe less socialising as well. Those things stopped altogether when Covid happened, but there has been a gradual drift back. Where are we in that process? Will the situation that we have now continue—I am thinking especially of city centres—or do we need to wait a bit longer to see whether people will go back to work in offices in the winter when it is cold and so on?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

John Mason

On the question of early retirement, from the individual’s point of view, if they are well off—because they have been a general practitioner or something like that—they can afford it, so, in a sense, we do not need to worry about those individuals, but does the economy as a whole suffer if a lot of 55-year-olds just stop working?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

John Mason

Tom Waters, I saw you smile a moment ago. Maybe you are a futurologist—I do not know—but do you think that where we are is where we are going to be or do you think that things could change quite a lot, especially in town and city centres?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

Can we at least assume that the minimum would be eight or nine care boards and the maximum would be 32?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

One suggestion that has been made has been that the IJBs or the health and social care partnerships could just take on some different responsibilities, given that the numbers might merge or vary a bit. That would save setting up new structures, with the inevitable duplication and staff focusing on what will happen to their careers, for example, that that would mean. Would simply using the existing structures not have been a cheaper option?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

It really means that, at least during the set-up process, we are going to have another organisation—the care board—on top of the existing ones. The suggestion seems to be that we cannot just switch other things off—the IJB or whatever—on the same day. Much as I am in favour of jobs for accountants, that means that there will be a finance director in the council, a finance director in the health board, a finance director in the health and social care partnership and a finance director in the care board. That seems to be quite a lot of duplication.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

Okay. On another subject, we have already noted that various people have raised the issue of VAT. I take your point that you are having talks with HM Revenue and Customs and other bodies and you will come back to us on that, but I want to press you on it a little bit more. The point has been made that a lot will depend on the type of legal entity that the care boards will be. Can you say anything about that? Is it possible to say that we will choose a legal entity that will definitely avoid VAT?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

I will build on some of what has already been said. On how much planning was done before the bill was introduced and how many care boards there will be, I imagine that the costs would be quite different if there were 32 care boards, which would match each council area, or eight or nine, which would match the health board areas as they are. At what stage is the thinking on that? Is that also a co-design issue?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

That will do for now.

You said that you will give us more information as we go forward. Can you clarify whether the financial memorandum will be revised before stage 3 or whether the business cases—which are, I take it, not part of the statutory process—will be on-going, perhaps for years?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

Probably, given that a lot of—