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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

John Mason

Yes—that was a very wide discussion; it was about data sharing across the whole of Government.

I turn to a somewhat different subject—types of initial destinations for young people leaving school. As I understand it, those are measured in October each year, roughly three months after young people have left school. Is that right? Should we be concerned about the types of destinations that young people are going to? Certainly, if we use the SIMD figures, we can see that there is quite a range from the bottom 20 per cent to the top 20 per cent. The obvious difference is that more of those from the top 20 per cent are going to university.

I am genuinely open minded about this. Can we be relaxed about that? Last week, we were discussing widening access—some young people go to college first and then to university, so statistics on initial destinations that are captured three months after young people have left school perhaps do not tell us the whole story.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

John Mason

On that point, as I understand it, the value of PEF in real terms has fallen by 16 per cent since 2017. Is that just because money has been tight, generally?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

John Mason

I have to say that I am surprised by some of the lines of questioning so far, given that the committee is very keen that we see a big change and quickly. Presumably, even if the membership of the board is tweaked at stage 2, we would still need a core board and a chair. That will not change; the Educational Institute of Scotland will not take over the whole board like it wants to. Therefore, surely we can move ahead.

I have been trying to think of other examples to show that this process whereby legislation goes through the Parliament and the Government moves ahead in the meantime and appoints people on an interim basis is quite normal. The example that I thought of is the Scottish Fiscal Commission. I was on the Finance Committee when the legislation to establish the commission was going through the Parliament, and I think that people were in post before it passed.

Whatever the committee anticipates for the Education (Scotland) Bill—there might be major amendments and there might not be—we were in the same position when we legislated for the Fiscal Commission. As I said, I am surprised. I do not know whether the cabinet secretary is. It is quite normal for such things to go ahead in parallel.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

John Mason

Do you accept the point that a poorer family in a richer area generally does better than a poorer family in a poor area, and that families in the poor areas therefore need more support?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

John Mason

Is that 50 per cent to 66 per cent just what you would like to happen, or do people think it could happen?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

John Mason

In an answer to the convener, you said that people should not be told that they cannot have treatment because of the cost. However, is that not just life? We cannot have more roads because of the cost, we cannot have more houses because of the cost and we have waiting lists in the NHS because of the cost. We are limited, as a nation and as individuals, by how much money we have. Surely there has to come a point at which there is just no money for someone’s hip replacement or whatever else they need.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

John Mason

Well, give me a suggestion for the future. We have wasted money on the ferries and we have wasted money on IT. Where in next year’s budget would we get the money from?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

John Mason

I look forward to that. I would just raise tax and pay for it in that way, but you might not want to do that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

John Mason

Still on the money and on the comment that £1 that is spent today could save £4 in the future, it has been suggested that that would not be a saving, given how much pressure there is on the justice and health systems. It would just relieve some of the pressure, so there would, in fact, not be any saving.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

John Mason

I do not think that we will see that money coming back, but I take your point that it will relieve the pressure.

Finally, you want the bill to be put into law. It seems to have become a habit of the Government and others to put things into law but then not achieve them. What happens if we put the bill into law and targets are not met? Would a Government minister go to prison?