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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 February 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

One of the outcomes of the review might or might not be that there should be a full public inquiry. Is that correct?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

What is your opinion on public inquiries? In the finance committee, we have found that some public inquiries can go on for a long time, which can be disappointing for victims, because they might hope to get something a bit more quickly. There is also the question of expense. At the moment, one inquiry in Scotland has cost £50 million and another has cost £100 million. That takes money away from front-line services. Do you feel that public inquiries are often a good thing, or are they a good thing only sometimes?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

I do not want to cut you off, but we are tight for time. I hope that the committee’s report will come out in the next few weeks, which will cover some of that.

Looking forward, my understanding is that the inquiry that will take place in England will have a time limit of three years and a cost limit of £65 million. In our experience in Scotland, it is a little bit unusual that there should be a time limit. Some judges argue that there should never be a time limit. What are your thoughts on that? Is it realistic?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

You talk about tribunals and parents pushing for their kids, which is great, but that tends to favour middle-class educated parents. As I understand it, we were told that virtually every parent at Donaldson’s was middle-class educated, so they are either rich enough to pay the £40,000 a year or whatever—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

The inquiry in England, as I understand it, has—somewhat unusually—been given a time limit and a budget, of three years and £65 million. That model has not been used either in the UK or in Scotland in the past. Are you open to the idea that there should be a time limit on a public inquiry, if there was to be one, and a budget limit?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

Is the problem a measurement thing? Surely there has not been such a huge increase in additional support needs among young people—has there?

13:30  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

I am not quite sure what you are referring to. The Public Audit Committee has done some work on this issue, too, and I note that, in a letter that it wrote to our committee, it talks about

“a national data summit”

taking place

“this calendar year”.

Is that the event that you have just referred to?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

Forgive me for interrupting, cabinet secretary. I am with you on the view that having the public inquiry is worth while, but other countries are able to have much quicker public inquiries at a lower cost. For example, Sweden’s public inquiry on Covid finished in 2022 and cost £2 million. There seems to be a problem in the UK and Scotland in that, when we have a public inquiry, it goes on for ever and costs an absolute fortune.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

Ross Greer and I are both members of the Finance and Public Administration Committee, which has recently been considering whether public inquiries are cost-effective and so on. Professor Jay, are there terms of reference for the review that you are carrying out? Is there a budget? Is there a timescale?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

I think that I was there a bit before you.