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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

If we are raising a special tax, both here and in the rest of the UK, for cladding for residential buildings, there is an argument that a special case should be made to deal with cladding and RAAC outwith colleges’ normal capital expenditure. I am not expecting a commitment today but, when the minister and cabinet secretary are making arguments at the budget table, I hope that they can make the point that we have done something special for the residential sector and that we should consider doing something special for colleges and others.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

Related to that point, I am interested in a paragraph in the report about colleges that was published on Friday, which stated:

“Colleges are also actively reviewing their estates to identify disposals that could generate cash ... To this end, a number of colleges are actively reviewing whether one or more of their campuses require to be closed.”

Is that something that the Government would actively support, or is it something that we have to reluctantly accept? Are we expecting a wholesale reduction in the number of campuses across the board? I think that one is closing in Clackmannanshire.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

I would like there to be more money for colleges and I would raise tax to do that, but I accept that other committee colleagues want there to be more money but will not say where the money should come from.

11:30  

I will move on to capital, which Pam Duncan-Glancy has already touched on. Glasgow Kelvin College mentioned that it needs £8.2 million to tackle cladding. Colleges Scotland has said that there are 11 buildings that have RAAC, across seven colleges. At the Finance and Public Administration Committee meeting yesterday, the ministerial team confirmed that the building safety levy will be only for residential buildings. Colleges will not get anything from the building safety levy, which I find a bit disappointing. I think that the reason is that we have to follow the English model. Are we clear as to how much money will be needed to tackle RAAC and cladding in colleges and possibly universities?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

I take it from those responses that we do not have an overall figure. Glasgow Kelvin College was quite specific that it required £8.2 million. Like everyone else, it will be bargaining; it will want a bit more and will have to argue with everyone else. Leaving aside where the money might come from, are you saying that the SFC has not yet provided a figure on exactly what is needed to tackle cladding and RAAC?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

You say that some of that is confidential, but do you see a report from those reviews?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

The SFC says that it will more closely monitor governance going forwards. Is that something that the SFC has not been doing, or is it more the case that the institutions have not been doing it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

The committee has been looking at the Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill, which affects the SFC, your responsibilities and even your powers. My feeling is that, with regard to looking at the institutions, your position needs to be strengthened. Are you happy with what is in the bill, or do you think that you could do with more powers?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

It is helpful to hear that you look at different institutions differently. You say that four colleges have a cash deficit and 22 have an operating deficit, but their positions could vary hugely. If they already have deficits and a lot of borrowing, that is a problem; if they have reserves or they do not have much borrowing, it is not a problem.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

That is very helpful. Thanks.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

I agree with the point about local choices, but if a college—in the case of my constituency, it happens to be Glasgow Kelvin College, but it could be many others—has three campuses, it does not have much choice. If a college is tight for money, one of the options is to close a campus. I would just like an indication from the Government about whether you are relaxed about that. Are you worried about it? Are you concerned about it? Will you give us any word that describes your attitude to it?