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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

John Mason

I think that it was he who raised the point, but I cannot remember exactly.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

John Mason

I do not want to get into too much detail—I just want an overall view.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

John Mason

I certainly hope that that is the case. Sometimes, personalities come into these things, as we have discussed previously on other subjects. Is our system robust enough to ensure that, whoever the chairs of colleges are, it can still work?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

John Mason

Yes—we would expect internal and external audit to be involved in that process for the universities, so I will be very interested to see what the report comes out with.

On financial sustainability, we are thinking mainly about universities and colleges, but what about other training providers, such as those in the private sector? Is there any need to oversee them and look at their financial sustainability, or can we simply rely on the private sector to look after that aspect?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

John Mason

So, broadly, you would have more confidence in a bigger organisation than in a smaller one.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

John Mason

Okay—I am happy to leave it at that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

John Mason

I welcome the draft order. I think that it is great that we will get rid of the Glasgow Colleges Regional Board, and I am delighted that the three colleges will be separate. Can the minister say anything about collaboration between the three colleges going forward? Although I want the colleges to be independent, they will need to work together to some extent.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

John Mason

The convener has already raised a number of issues in the financial area, and that is where I want to go. The Parliament’s website says that a financial memorandum

“should set out best estimates of the costs, savings, and changes to revenues arising from a Bill.”

However, as I understand it from Mr Mott, we do not have an estimate of the pension costs. Does that mean that you are failing to give what is normally expected from a financial memorandum?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

John Mason

I am not here to speak for the Finance and Public Administration Committee—Mr Greer and I are on both committees—but we absolutely support the simplification of the landscape as part of our public reform work, and we do not want there to be more public bodies. If we are simplifying things, I am absolutely on board and will totally support you on that, but we still have to look at the costs. The finance committee took evidence but did not have time to go into any detail with witnesses on that, which is why I am concerned about it.

Are you looking at whether the SFC would continue with two different pension schemes, or do you assume that it would go ahead and provide the better pension scheme for everyone?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

John Mason

If the SFC needs more powers, I, for one, am open to giving it those powers now.

I take your point that a lot of the income of universities, in particular, does not come from the public purse. On the other hand, if a university gets into difficulty, it expects the public purse to bail it out, so there is quite a big risk. I fully accept that we have to get the report in due course.