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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

Paragraph 56 of the financial memorandum talks about the transition costs, which are to be £64 million. I assume that that is a one-off cost and will happen over a period but not be repeated. The following paragraph goes on to say that implementation costs are not included. It says:

“These costs are currently excluded”.

Will you explain to me the difference between transition costs and implementation costs and why the implementation costs are excluded?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

Might that include more IT investment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

I return to the convener’s line of questioning on administration costs. Paragraph 47 of the financial memorandum mentions a figure of £61 million. I was a little unclear about its other mention of 11 per cent. What was that £61 million 11 per cent of?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

Is that IT refresh or whatever in your budget for the coming year?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

Mr Halcro Johnston referred to the crisis reserve. Is that the same as the national reserve that is referred to?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

Okay. I will leave it at that. If you want to write to us, you can do so. I am an outsider to this, so I was simply intrigued.

My final point is on the question of costs for other organisations. Scotland’s Rural College suggested that farms would have to produce whole-farm plans and that there would be a cost to that. Would you accept that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

Okay—I will leave that with you. It would be good if the figure were less than 10 per cent, I suppose.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

My next question was going to be whether 11 per cent was a reasonable figure. Do you benchmark that percentage against costs in other countries? I do not know what Denmark or anywhere else spends, for example. However, at last week’s meeting of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee, we heard that Social Security Scotland is aiming for a figure of 5.2 per cent for its costs to distribute benefits, which is also quite a complex area.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

There would still be a core cost even if you paid out no grants.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

Is there no estimate for implementation costs?