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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

John Mason

Thank you.

Professor Connolly, do you think that there should be more central direction or more local autonomy?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

John Mason

Thank you. Those are all my questions for now. I should have said at the beginning that you do not need to touch your microphone, your buttons or any of those things. That will all be done for you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

John Mason

If we have time at the end, we will give people a chance to come back in.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

John Mason

When I was reading the committee papers for the meeting, there was a number of terms that I was not familiar with. I hope that you can explain some of them to us. There is the “civil service commission”, the “civil service board” and a “civil service shadow board”. Could you explain what they all do?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

John Mason

I could pursue that, but I will not, as I think I would get out of my depth quite quickly.

Some of this touches on decision-making issues that we discussed earlier this morning, so forgive me if it overlaps a bit with that. One issue that came up was with bill teams in the civil service. As I understand it, they are generally kept together through the progress of a bill, but might be disbanded afterwards, which can impact on the putting into practice of the new policies or legislation. Can you explain how that works?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

John Mason

I saw that she had not said anything so far.

My first question is quite general. Why are some bodies included in the consolidated accounts, while others are not included?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

John Mason

Is that related to the suggestion that the HR system is now going to categorise all civil servants into professions?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

John Mason

Okay. This is quite a complex area. We might need a meeting on that alone, but I will ask one other thing. If I am reading it correctly, there is resource borrowing of £319 million, but there is also an underspend. Why do we need to borrow if there is an underspend?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

John Mason

Continuing on the theme of the speed of decision making, we have, to be frank, had mixed views from different committee witnesses. For example, if we take Covid, some witnesses said that the speed was great—it was quick and decisive and so on—but others, especially from women’s groups, said that it was too fast and that there was not enough consultation. I have to say that I share your experience that, generally, decision making can be quite slow.

We also had evidence from businesses that they make a decision when they are 80 per cent certain about something, while their suggestion was that Government waits until it is 90 per cent, 95 per cent or 99 per cent certain before making a decision. Is it that there has to be a different speed for different decisions or are there principles to follow? How do you get the balance?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

John Mason

That is helpful, thank you. It is good that we have had evidence from such a wide range of witnesses. We particularly appreciated meeting civil servants at St Andrew’s house, which was a slightly unusual experience for all of us but a very good one. They were very helpful.

On the issue of how transparent advice should be, you mentioned transparency in your opening remarks, and most of us would say that transparency is a great thing. However, some previous civil servants and ministers have said that there can be a bit too much of it. If all the advice is written down, for the sake of transparency, it is very difficult for a civil servant to give confidential advice or to give options in a more general sense. How do you feel that we can get the balance on that?