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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

John Mason

Thank you very much, Ms Burden. You have been very frank and open. Maybe it has been beneficial that you have not been in your job for a long time, as you have given us a fresh approach and been prepared to be honest with us. I am very grateful for your input this morning.

Is there anything else that you would like to say that we have not touched on?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

John Mason

One of the terms that we politicians hear from the public is “postcode lottery”, which I personally detest and which I think really means local decision making. However, there needs to be a balance, does there not? When someone turns up with a broken leg, they get the same treatment in Ayrshire as they would in the Highlands, Glasgow or anywhere else. On the other hand, you are dealing with a particular situation: you have two islands, the Highlands are completely different from that, and Glasgow and Edinburgh are different, too.

How do we get that balance? The police model has become more centralised. Does health need to have a more centralised model?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

John Mason

My final question was going to be aimed more at the health and social care partnership, but I will try it with you anyway. Your area covers three local authority areas. Is that a problem, does it not matter or is it a strength? We know that other health boards, such as NHS Fife, for example, pretty well match the local authority area. Is that an issue for you?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

John Mason

Last week, we heard evidence on the information technology side, which was not just about health, that all sorts of public bodies are fishing in the same pool for IT experts. There seems to be a shortage. Has that been your experience?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

John Mason

That opens up a discussion on preventative spend, which is a huge area on which the committee has already spent a lot of time. I will restrain myself on that point, though, and hand over to Michael Marra.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

John Mason

I have a final question. You said that, in future years, you do not anticipate any negative reconciliations or forecast errors after 2024-25. Why is that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

John Mason

Thank you. That concludes the public part of the meeting.

12:00 Meeting continued in private until 12:21.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

John Mason

Thank you very much, Professor Roy. I think that we all have a number of questions. Committee members have around 13 minutes each.

You mentioned the fact that your forecasts and the OBR’s forecasts are somewhat different. You also said that there is more uncertainty than usual at this particular time. Why is there more uncertainty at this time, and why is there a difference on the divergence in earnings growth, in particular, between the Scottish Fiscal Commission and the OBR?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

John Mason

Traditionally, we have found it hard to match the south-east of England and London, and their earnings have tended to be higher. Therefore, it is surprising to me that we have things the other way round, in a sense, this time.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

John Mason

Okay. Thank you.

The big figure that was mentioned is the negative income tax reconciliation of around £712 million. Obviously, that has been in the media. How certain are we about that? I seem to remember that, in the past, the forecasts and the actual outturns were quite different from each other, even late on. We will just have to wait until July, I think, when we get the final figures, but is there a possibility that the figure could be very different from £712 million?