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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

John Mason

If the Parliament is considering the appointment of a new commissioner, the Government will give its view and everyone else will give their views, whereas, if the Government is proposing a new commissioner, it is primarily the Government that will drive the proposal.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

John Mason

I accept all of that.

You have also stressed the independence of SPCB bodies. Do you think that they are more independent than, for instance, Government commissioners? People such as His Majesty’s chief inspector of constabulary and His Majesty’s chief inspector of prisons are seen as being quite independent. Is there a difference from the public’s point of view?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

John Mason

Are the ones that were set up by the Government, or which operate under the Government, scrutinised? Can you say anything about how they are scrutinised within Government or the civil service?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

John Mason

A related question is who will lead on any change and take it forward. You seem to be indicating that the Government would not lead on, say, giving the SHRC more clout if we went down that route. In that case, who should lead on it? It is easy to say that it should be the Parliament, but Parliament is made up of 129 of us, and we all look in different directions. Does the Finance and Public Administration Committee need to drive the issue forward?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

John Mason

You come across as fairly relaxed about having a few more commissioners.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

John Mason

Following on from some of my colleagues, I note that you have already stressed that it is for the Parliament to decide on new commissioners, and the Government will have a voice in that, albeit just one voice among others.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

John Mason

One of our witnesses said that it was independence of thought that mattered most, more than whether a body was a Government body, a Parliament body or something else.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

John Mason

I get that, but I was taken by your phrase “set the tone”. It is a good one, and I think that a public statement about restricting the number of commissioners would send a message more widely.

A number of witnesses suggested that the Scottish Human Rights Commission could be strengthened and expanded and that, instead of our having lots of separate commissioners, we could give that body a bit more clout and allow it to look at individual cases. There could be, as with, I think, the United Nations, a system of rapporteurs—that is, people who report; they could concentrate on children for a few years and then on, say, older people for another few years. It would mean that you would have one organisation covering all those topics. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

John Mason

Okay—you are more relaxed than I am, anyway. I fully take the point, which everyone has made, that the Parliament has to decide on a case-by-case basis, but the question is: where are we going in the longer term?

Another point that you made was that the money saved from abolishing one commissioner or even all the commissioners would not be that huge. Again, I agree with that, but what if the number got seriously bigger? What if we got to, say, 50 commissioners? When I asked the previous First Minister whether he would be worried if we got to 100 commissioners, he agreed that he would, so I will now try 50. [Laughter.] Would you be worried if we got to 50 commissioners?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

John Mason

Might be—or is?