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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

John Mason

To start with, I will follow on from what Michael Marra asked you, Ms Haughey. You have said various things. You specifically talked about system-wide issues, and then you said that, because of the history of the problems through the 1960s and so on, that is specifically why there is a need for the patient safety commissioner. I am asking you to speculate a bit, but do you think your committee would take a different view if a commissioner was proposed for something specific such as multiple sclerosis or arthritis? Some of the arguments are that some people’s voices are not being heard, and their voices would be heard more if there was a commissioner for different kinds of disability—that has been proposed—and so on and so forth.

Was the patient safety commissioner unique because of the circumstances?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

John Mason

I realised that from one of your colleagues. Our earlier witnesses said when they were speaking for their committee and when they were speaking for themselves. We can take that on board if you want.

I have mentioned specific cases, but my underlying question is about how, on the one hand, we avoid having a huge organisation that would cover everything and how, on the other hand, we avoid having so much overlap. It seems that the more commissioners we have, the more overlap there will be, and your committee might suffer as a result of that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

John Mason

Do you think that, because young people do not have a vote, there is a special argument for their commissioner—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

John Mason

Do disabled people not have the same right?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

John Mason

Okay. Mr Whitfield, you have suggested that a commissioner should report to a committee, which might simplify the system. Another suggestion that has come to us is that the commissioner should work more hand in glove with the relevant committee and that they should see themselves as doing the same work. It was even suggested that the committee should assign work to the commissioner. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

John Mason

One argument is that, despite the good work that the third sector does in a lot of areas, it does not have the power to make binding recommendations—that phrase has been used a number of times. It would be quite strong if bodies could dictate. You suggested that one body—I am sorry, I cannot remember which one it was—makes recommendations that almost always are accepted.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

John Mason

Following on from that, another model that has been suggested to us—this would probably not affect some of your areas, Mr Whitfield—is the Scottish Human Rights Commission being given a bit more power so that it could cover human rights overall in areas such as disabilities and children, which would all fall within that, although there could be separate rapporteurs for those groups. Do you have any views on what the effect of that might be? You have mentioned the issue of complexity.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

John Mason

Okay. Let me play devil’s advocate. The argument for a commissioner for disabled people is that, as not all disabled people are children, they still need a commissioner, even though there would be an overlap with the children’s commissioner.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

John Mason

Okay, thanks—that was maybe an unfair question.

I will ask Audrey Nicoll about alternate models. Within your committee’s remit, there are quite a lot of alternate models. You mentioned the inspector of constabulary and the prisons inspector, both of which are funded by the Government, not by Parliament, but yet they are, I think, quite independent. Is that another model that works?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pension Age Disability Payment

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

John Mason

Would there have been issues as to exactly what the money was going to be used for? A buggy is a positive thing that gets people to the shops and up and down the road, as compared to a car, which most of us now see as not a good thing, because we want to reduce the number of cars. Is that a factor?