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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

John Mason

Michael Marra mentioned pay policy. I want to press you a little bit on the figures. The Scottish Fiscal Commission has assumed that there will be a 4.5 per cent increase, but the SPCB, which we heard from this morning, is looking at a 6.7 per cent increase. Can you give us an indication of the kind of pay increases that we are talking about?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

John Mason

My next question is on the council tax freeze and its mechanics and logic. What is the aim of the council tax freeze? Is it to help those people in most poverty? There has been a bit of debate over whether the £144 million for that is enough. Whether or not it is enough, it depletes the public purse as a whole, does it not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

John Mason

I will turn to some of the projects that are coming up. You have already mentioned the increased use of hybrid working, which means that there are more spaces where people can work. How successful has the hub been? We all pass it regularly, and it does not appear to be very busy, but perhaps it is well used.

The submission contains the line:

“Office space planning and moves - £200k”.

What is that for?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

John Mason

I will leave the subject of commissioners, as it has had a good airing, and we are looking forward to the inquiry on that.

I wish to follow up on some of the points that the convener has raised. I think that using the AWE index is a reasonable way forward, both for MSPs and for MSPs’ staff. I have worked out that the average for the MSP increase over the past four years is 2.9 per cent, which I think is pretty easy to sell, or reasonable, as some of the public, at least, do not want us to have any increase.

I think that you said that you are going to do more work on the ASHE figures and their volatility—which is the word that has been used. Do you have any clarity as to why those figures are volatile or more volatile than other measures?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

John Mason

Inflation could end up higher than we are hoping. For example, it could end up higher if all the shipping has to go around South Africa instead of through the Suez canal.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

John Mason

That is fine—that gives me a feel for it.

So, there appears to be a problem with the open-plan aspect for MSP staff, in that they can all hear one another when they are having discussions. That is a downside of the open-plan system.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

John Mason

I did not pull that comment directly off your papers. It is from page 17 of our own paper; I do not know where it comes in yours, but in ours, it comes in a list of

“Projects to be funded in 2024-25”.

The final one in that list is “other projects”, with a figure of £415,000.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

John Mason

I have recently joined the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. It is absolutely delighted about the spending increase on social security. The jump from £5 billion to £6 billion is quite an increase compared with the position in other parts of the budget. Do you have any concern that spend in that area is getting a little bit out of control?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

John Mason

I will move on to another topic. I have had a fair bit of interaction with the hospitality sector recently, and it has been going on and on about how it wanted the kind of relief that was given in England. I think that England made a mistake in providing relief across the board, because it seems to me that some hospitality businesses are doing incredibly well.

I agree with your principle, as I understand it, of targeting some of the NDR relief at a specific sector. You have chosen to target the islands. Will you explain why that is your focus? Are there any other sectors that also need the relief?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

John Mason

I will finish with a more general question. A number of suggestions have been made about how national outcomes and the national performance framework have informed the budget. Were those elements taken as the starting point for the budget or did they come in at the end? Was the tax advisory group part of forming the budget?