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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 June 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

John Mason

Would the proposed council help with that, or is that entirely a matter of employment law, which is reserved to Westminster?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

John Mason

I ask Ms Somerville the same question—I was going to come to you anyway on that point.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

John Mason

Right. I will just pursue that point with Ms Somerville for a minute, and then I will come back to Mr McKenzie.

The STUC paper was very good on tax options and so on, but we still have a relatively fixed pot of money. Would you say that we could put more into the benefits system only if we raised more tax, or do you think that we should reallocate money? The national health service has a huge budget—we could take a bit out of there and put it into compensation.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

John Mason

My role is to ask about finance. I will start with Norman Provan. You were enthusiastic about the system being run much less on paper and more through information technology. The set-up costs for the IT and the website are only £50,000. That seems quite low, given that IT can be very expensive. Do you have any thoughts on that figure?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

John Mason

Does anyone else have any comments? The salary costs are £175,000.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

John Mason

Ms Ritchie Allan, do you think that having a council would inevitably mean an increase in the benefits that are paid out?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

John Mason

Another financial issue is the cost of the benefits. Lorna Glen, you and other witnesses have suggested that more people would be entitled to benefits. Have you done any work on what that might cost?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

John Mason

I take your point about preventative action—this could save money for employers, the state and so on. If the scenario was that the Scottish council could only do preventative work, give advice and do research and the total amount of benefits stayed static—I believe that the figure is about £78 million—would it still be worth going ahead?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

John Mason

Where would you suggest that the extra money should come from? Should the Scottish Government take it off teachers’ salaries?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

John Mason

I was impressed, I have to say, by the STUC—