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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

Okay. That was a bonus question that I had not really planned.

Mr Lonsdale, in your submission you say that you would like

“to reduce the cost of running the government”,

as

“this would ease the pressure on the funding of other services”.

Are there risks in reducing the level of government? We have seen examples—the major recent one was Grenfell—of what happens when there is a lack of oversight and regulation and the Government is not involved enough. Are there risks around health and safety in cutting the level of government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

I will not ask how much you spent. [Laughter.]

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

Okay. Ms Manson, thanks for your submission, too. One of your themes seems to be the need to reduce business rates—non-domestic rates. Have you any suggestions for how we should fund that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

Glasgow has some very good examples of businesses in the hospitality sector that are expanding and seem to be doing very well.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

Could you keep your remarks fairly brief? There would be a cost to that, and I think that that is quite a political issue.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

I presume that the alternative would be to make further cuts in other expenditure.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

The convener touched on the idea of longer-term planning and the medium-term financial strategy. I was struck by a line in Mr Robinson’s submission that says:

“More will be known following the UK budget expected on 30 October, at which point the Scottish Government must look to see how sustainable its current plans are”.

That suggests that we cannot plan for the future, because, even for the coming year, we are having to wait until 30 October in order to see what the scenario is. The committee has been pushing for more long-term planning from the Scottish Government. Is that unrealistic?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

It is on page 6, in answer to question 6.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

Could you clarify that? I thought that we had that information—for example, I thought that we knew that social security costs about £1 billion.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

I will leave that issue for now; I am sure that we could explore it further.

Professor Bell, you make the point, although others have made it as well, that if we grow the economy, that will help with other priorities. Is that definitely the case? To take an extreme example, if a lot of new businesses started and they were all incorporated and all paid dividends, they would pay corporation tax and tax on the dividends, but we would get the money only if there were employees or self-employed people paying income tax. The nightmare scenario would be that we could grow the economy substantially and get no extra money in Scotland.