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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

Regarding the point about head count, when I read the reports I was struck by the fact that Registers of Scotland has cut its workforce by 10 per cent. Chris Kerr can maybe comment on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

John Mason

Good morning. On the topic of people being convinced about residentials being a good thing, I am totally convinced that they are, so you do not need to persuade me about that. Further, our recent visit to meet teachers—arranged through the Educational Institute of Scotland—and the visit that we went on this Monday were both absolutely excellent.

Ms Smith, as we are both on the Finance and Constitution Committee and have previously discussed the financial aspects of the bill, you will not be surprised to hear that my questions are on finance.

You pointed out that the current system is not working, but is the problem really finance?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

John Mason

Other members will ask about other funding methods that might be used, so I will stick to the costs themselves.

The cost that you have estimated—around £30 million or so—is still a lot of money, and some have said that that will not be enough.

I was very impressed by the Broomlee centre that we visited at West Linton on Monday, but it could do with a bit of money being spent to modernise it, and that might be true of some of the other centres as well. Are you convinced that £30 million or thereabouts is enough? As I understand it, there are no capital costs in that; the centres are purely charging for running costs.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

John Mason

I will press you on that. If some kids are already at the standard that we want in relation to getting residential education, and if we are talking about levelling up the others by using PEF or a similar fund, would it not be better to target the limited money that we have at those kids? There could be, say, a top-up fund to which schools in poorer areas—there are certainly some in my constituency—could apply. That would mean that there would still be the parent contribution but that other schools would get some of the money and the scheme might not cost so much.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

John Mason

Are you satisfied that the costs that you have put in would cover kids from Shetland and Orkney and further away, who will have much higher costs?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

John Mason

At the moment, parents—better-off parents, obviously—contribute some of the money, and schools fundraise for some of the other kids. Some of the £30 million that the Government would be paying would go not to the centres or the kids but, in effect, to parents—it would save better-off parents money. I have a slight problem with that. If parents are willing to contribute several million pounds a year at the moment—we probably do not have the figures, but I assume that it is about that much—is it fair to suddenly save those parents a lot of money?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

John Mason

You mentioned transport. I made the effort by using my bus pass to get to West Linton on Monday, and that was successful. The buses are not all that frequent, but the journey worked fine. A 45 or 50-minute bus journey from Edinburgh followed by a 20-minute walk in December was okay. Are there ways in which schools and everybody else could save on transport costs by using bus passes more?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

John Mason

Is it a legal requirement in Australia that people pay more wages?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

John Mason

Over a year.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

John Mason

Yes, it is difficult, but we have had a similar problem in this committee with a range of bills. I take your point that, normally, the committee is looking at costs perhaps being underestimated and savings perhaps being overestimated, and I am looking at it the other way round. However, we expect to see best estimates in the financial memorandum.

Presumably, there is evidence from around the world. It cannot be proved when someone would have died otherwise, but there must be estimates as to how much before the expected point of death they have died. It seems to me that there would be savings, and that is one of my concerns.

Although I take your point that doctors will not be making decisions or recommendations or giving advice based on financial factors, it is part of the system that we are all in a very cost-driven society. The state pension would be one cost, but if somebody was in hospital, I think that there would be a cost of perhaps £300 a day for being in hospital, so, for a week, we would be talking about a cost of £2,000. Similarly, in a care home, we would be talking about a cost of £6,000 a month, so it would not take very long for some kind of savings to start building up, surely.