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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

John Mason

It is a slight delay of a month and a half so far. Will there not have to come a time when you say, “This is the budget for A, B, C and D”? It might not be you who does that—it will be Shona Robison.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

John Mason

Okay. I will not pursue that further just now.

We have talked about colleges quite a lot, but I do not think that we have mentioned support staff. There was quite a dispute over the lecturers, which I think has been resolved, which is great. However, it has been suggested that support staff will also need a pay settlement. Can you say anything on that? Is there enough in the budget for it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

John Mason

That was the case with the lecturers, but the Government put in some extra money—it was £4.5 million, I think—to resolve that. Would the Government do the same for the support staff?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

John Mason

Colleges are also in the public sector now, as has been mentioned. Does that mean that there will be no compulsory redundancies at colleges?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

John Mason

We have talked quite a lot about college and university funding. One of the colleges’ arguments is that they get so much less per student than universities do. Of course, it will vary within courses, as some courses will be more expensive than others. I am not asking for more money for colleges and universities but, as a general point, is the way in which we are sharing the money out fair, and is it the best way?

One aspect of that is the difference between colleges and universities, but I wonder, too, whether universities should not be means tested in some way. The University of Glasgow and the University of Edinburgh are sitting on huge reserves. Although the University of Dundee has problems, the last accounts for it that I looked at show £160 million of unrestricted reserves, which is huge compared with, say, Glasgow Caledonian University or some of the colleges in Glasgow. I wonder whether we have the balance right as to who we are supporting.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

John Mason

I have one final area that I want to touch on. The Finance and Public Administration Committee has been focusing on public sector reform, and I think that Ivan McKee is leading on that.

Do you have any thoughts about public sector reform in the education sector? Given that we cannot change the pupil to teacher ratio and so on, is reform more difficult in the education sector? Is there scope to bring in artificial intelligence or that kind of thing, so that one teacher can help more kids?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

Although we might improve outcomes a bit, does public service reform basically mean cutting jobs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

Paragraph 14 of your report says that

“the Scottish Government risks overspending against its budget”

but, legally, the Scottish Government cannot overspend against its budget or, at least, against its income. What do you mean by that? The reality is that, by hook or by crook, the Government has to balance its budget.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

Do you accept that that is quite difficult for the Government? Even if it does emergency planning a year ahead, there is still a limited number of spaces where it can save money.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

One of the themes of your report, which comes up quite a lot, is that the Government is reacting to events and does not have a longer-term plan. However, is there not a certain inevitability of that happening in Scotland? For example, the UK Government came in and suddenly introduced a pay increase that was higher than we had previously expected as well as a national insurance increase. Those are events that most of us had not anticipated. What is the Government to do? Surely it simply has to react in the short term.