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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 18 January 2024

John Mason

It all seems very complex. Clearly you, the councils and the Scottish Government all have staff doing quite a lot of work on this, with you analysing the figures, councils putting in bids in the competitive process and so on. In retrospect, do you think that having so many funds with so many factors has been the best way of allocating the money? You could have just said, “Well, based on SIMD or whatever, we will top up the housing budget across the UK”, and that would have been pretty welcome in most council areas and would have saved all the analysis and the applications. Would that not have been better?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 18 January 2024

John Mason

Mr Gove, the term “levelling up” suggests to me that areas that or people who are poorer or further down the scale—or however they are described—should be pulled up nearer the areas or people at the top. That is a real emphasis on need. However, from some of the answers that you have given to Ms Smith and others, there seems to be the idea of a geographic spread of the money that goes out. I wonder whether those two things are compatible. Some people would have expected all the money to go to really needy areas and no money to go to Aberdeenshire, despite the fact that Aberdeenshire might have some pockets of deprivation. How do you square those things?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 18 January 2024

John Mason

Is it too early to say whether any of that has been successful? I realise that a lot of the money is still to be spent.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 18 January 2024

John Mason

I wonder whether the amounts of money involved will make a significant difference. Glasgow is not the biggest city in the UK, but it is fairly large. We got £13 million to upgrade a set of dilapidated stables in quite a wealthy part of the city, and the £15 million for Drumchapel is very welcome. That is £28 million. You have already mentioned the investment zone, too. Those investments are only scratching the surface in Glasgow, however. Would the amounts not need to be a lot higher to make a real impact?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 18 January 2024

John Mason

I wanted to touch on one other area. Some of the councils that we spoke to talked about the need for more flexibility on, say, timescales, with East Lothian, for example, saying that it would be good to have a five-year funding model to allow it to plan ahead. On another note, Renfrewshire and Aberdeenshire both said that numeracy was not really a priority for them and that they would have liked to have used the money for literacy or something else. Is there enough flexibility in the schemes?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 18 January 2024

John Mason

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

John Mason

Inflation could end up higher than we are hoping. For example, it could end up higher if all the shipping has to go around South Africa instead of through the Suez canal.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

John Mason

That is fine—that gives me a feel for it.

So, there appears to be a problem with the open-plan aspect for MSP staff, in that they can all hear one another when they are having discussions. That is a downside of the open-plan system.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

John Mason

I did not pull that comment directly off your papers. It is from page 17 of our own paper; I do not know where it comes in yours, but in ours, it comes in a list of

“Projects to be funded in 2024-25”.

The final one in that list is “other projects”, with a figure of £415,000.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

John Mason

I have recently joined the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. It is absolutely delighted about the spending increase on social security. The jump from £5 billion to £6 billion is quite an increase compared with the position in other parts of the budget. Do you have any concern that spend in that area is getting a little bit out of control?