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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

John Mason

However, you would not say that there are specific things that have been done, such as there being a lot more schools, because you have been in place. It is more general and vague.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

John Mason

I have one or two other issues to cover, if you do not mind moving on.

Every year, you meet the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body, which questions your budget and so on. We have noticed that your costs are up 20 per cent over three years and that your staffing costs are up 30 per cent over three years. Can you explain why that has happened?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

John Mason

To give you your due, I think that it is partly because of the existence of your office that everybody is looking for a commissioner; they want to do what you do from their own angle.

You talk about listening to children. I was interested to read page 7 of the report, which says:

“In our strategic plan process, children and young people directed my office to make education reform a priority”.

Is that how it works: you listen to a group of children, they tell you what to do and then you do it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

John Mason

Having listened to the evidence, I think that this is definitely a move in the right direction. As I understand it, a further 25,000 children will get free school meals who would not otherwise have done so. It appears to me that that will, in fact, reduce stigma, because those 25,000 children will be taken out of being possibly stigmatised. For example, in Glasgow, every child who gets lunch gets a card. That means that, regardless of whether one is paying for one’s lunch, one has the same card. That has been a long-standing thing. It does not completely remove stigma, but it has been a good step in that direction.

We want to do more in this field, and I think that we all agree on that. If, as some parties wanted, we had reduced tax, that would have meant many more children paying for their lunches or just going without lunch altogether, but, thankfully, the Conservatives were defeated on that issue and the budget was agreed to. Obviously, the budget overrides any previous votes that Parliament had, which were non-binding. The SSI is certainly a good move in the right direction, and I am happy to support it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

John Mason

Is that discrimination coming exclusively from adults, or is it partly coming from young people?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

John Mason

In my constituency, there are a large number of Muslim children. The number of Jewish children is smaller, but there is some evidence of Jewish children experiencing some antisemitism.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

John Mason

Will you pick that up as well, even though the number is small?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

John Mason

I understand the engagement and the listening—there is a lot of that through the report. It was just that the word “directed” jumped out at me, because that is a slightly different emphasis. Rather than you listening and engaging, then assessing and going forward, “direction” suggests that they give you an instruction and you just follow it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

John Mason

My final question is about young people taking part in worship in school settings. You have made some statements on that—will you summarise those? Is it a question of what is age appropriate: for example, if a child is very young, the parents decide, but, if they are 15, they should be deciding or at least having a major input?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

John Mason

I will not ask if you think that we should raise taxes in order to get more money, because I suspect that you will not answer that question.