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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 March 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

John Mason

I will touch on some of the issues that have already been raised. I am not particularly keen on comparing with England, but I was struck by the point in your submission that

“National Police Chiefs Council figures for police schemes show 96% delivery at December 2025”.

You also say:

“In December, I reported we had completed 85% of the immediate choice casework for the police scheme. As at the 3 March, we were at 89%”.

That suggests that we are quite a long way behind England.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

John Mason

That is slightly reassuring.

Your submission says that three public sector schemes in the UK are struggling or do not even have deadlines. You are ahead of them, obviously, but three does not seem to be very many.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

John Mason

Yes, I fully understand that. However, it will obviously still affect UK finances—the figure for the UK is quite a big number—and, by default, our finances. Has nobody done a renewed estimate?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

John Mason

Do you mean not that you are aware of?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

John Mason

We will probably never know the true estimates—certainly not in my lifetime. We sometimes look at long-term planning in this committee, and I am sure that they do at Westminster as well, so I would have hoped that somebody down there would be making new estimates.

I take your point that you are getting more familiar with it all and that more of it can be automated. That all sounds positive and like things will speed up, but the other side of that struck me, which is that you started partly with the police because you have more complete data for the police, but we heard that you do not have the same data for teachers. That makes me a bit worried that, because if we are still looking for data for all those other groups, the process will be slowed down rather than sped up.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

John Mason

I fully accept that you are going to encounter problems. The question for the committee is about how well you are anticipating those problems. If you give us a forecast of 40 per cent but we hit 26 per cent or 30 per cent, that suggests that you may have been a little bit overoptimistic in some of your forecasts. If you are overoptimistic in one forecast, it makes me wonder whether you are being overoptimistic with many of them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

John Mason

As you pointed out, it is too late for this committee, but not for successor committees in the future. The more realistic that you can be, the better. It would be better to build in some caution so that if you do a bit better, everyone is delighted. I am afraid that, if the deadlines keep slipping, you are not going to be very popular.

Finally, as the convener has already mentioned, annex A in your letter of 11 March includes a table, which I did not find very helpful. Perhaps you could expand on that information for future committees. The table shows that, in the NHS, active numbers are just over 58,000, or 86.7 per cent, which implies that that number of participants have received their RSS. I think that the table could be better laid out. I would be more interested in how many have not received it, rather than those who have. You could show both numbers in a table. There is no mention of deferred, so I am not quite sure where that fits.

In the future, the committee may like something that is more expanded. It is helpful to have the information in a table format, because if there are lots of words and we are not sure what we are comparing with what, it becomes difficult.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

John Mason

You talked about taking the deferred and immediate choice ones together, but my understanding was that no statements have been issued for deferred members.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

John Mason

I accept that, for people who have not yet retired, it is less important, although people are planning to retire, and what they get in their pension will be a factor in that.

Tied to that is an article that appeared in the 1919 Magazine, which is produced by the Police Federation, among others—you are probably familiar with what it says. It talks about some 90 officers who did not leave the 2015 scheme. They felt that there was something wrong and have therefore been proven right, but they are now being treated as if they have not had continuous service.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

John Mason

I understand that, and, therefore, I have some sympathy with you. However, it is having quite a serious impact on the 90 or so people in that cohort, is it not? They are having to continue working when they might not have wanted to.