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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 March 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Graeme Dey

That is very well argued.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Graeme Dey

Good morning. I think that we have covered many of the questions that I wanted to ask, but I want to touch on this from a perspective that we have only fleetingly engaged with. I do not doubt the merits of the cases that both of you make on behalf of your members, nor do I question your right to come here today and call for greater funding for those interests. However, I would contend that with rights come responsibilities. We have heard asks for better pay for staff and increases in grants and bus fares, but all of those have to be paid for. We have acknowledged that there is considerable pressure on the Scottish Government’s budget, which will only increase in the years to come.

Can I ask each of you where the funding would come from to meet those asks? Are we talking about looking elsewhere in the education budget and making cuts there? Are we talking about cuts to the budgets for social security, justice or net zero, for example?

Mary Senior, to be fair, you indicated that a progressive taxation approach would be the answer to this, but you will appreciate that there are other areas of education that would contend that they are worthy recipients of the fruits of that approach. At our previous meeting, on 21 September, colleges told us that less money comes to them per student than goes to the university sector. It is a difficult question, but I want to pose that to both of you because, in the real world, the money has to come from somewhere.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Graeme Dey

I suspect that the Federation of Small Businesses might have a different view on the small business bonus scheme.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Graeme Dey

But you are not telling us what you would deprioritise to meet those priorities.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Graeme Dey

In other words, it should just find the money from wherever.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Graeme Dey

You will appreciate, Professor Boyne, that everyone will be making that argument in a time of straitened financial circumstances. Everyone can make a case. You make a valid case, but it is not as easy as that to find the moneys that you are looking for.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Graeme Dey

I have two questions, one for each of the witnesses. The first one is for Karen Watt. At budget scrutiny time, parliamentary committees are invariably confronted with a list of demands from various stakeholders and dire warnings about the consequences of not having those asks met. I am looking to get your view, Karen, assuming that you come at this from a balanced perspective. Professor Boyne earlier said that, given the flat cash settlements that are predicted, universities will be unable to continue to thrive. Is that a fair assessment?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Graeme Dey

In the interest of balance, and to be fair, there is always a limit to the resilience that they will show.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 September 2022

Graeme Dey

That suggests that universities’ ability to create income is the difference that is creating the discrepancy. Is that the case?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 September 2022

Graeme Dey

Over the past decade, we have gone through a process that has involved mergers and regionalisation. Can you briefly give us your views on the extent to which that process has achieved its aims? What have been the successes and where is there still room for improvement?